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Taishan

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 110
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: A question for Americans....... |
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Does anyone know if 'and' at the beginning of a sentence is incorrect in American English? eg. '..........blah blah. And that was the...........'
I've always been taught that this was wrong or just bad english. Is this correct in US English? |
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thelmadatter
Joined: 31 Mar 2003 Posts: 1212 Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject: And... |
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Grammar mavens will tell you that it is incorrect; however in regular, casual speech it is done all the time. I do it as well. "but" and "or" also fall into the same category as "and" (coordinating conjunctions).
I teach composition, and I do not allow my students to begin sentences with coordinating conjunctions. It's one of my personal bugaboos, and I figure that since they are supposed to proofread and edit, they can look for this problem. In speech, I don't feel that it is something they should worry about.
My 2 cents. |
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Joe Gahona
Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 27 Location: New York City
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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It's fine in U.S. English. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with thelmadatter--I don't let my students do it in writing, but when they are speaking, "rules" are more flexible.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on what type of writing.
Academic writing. Not usually permitted.
Prose. It's ok. Just pick up any novel and you'll see it. It is usually used for emphasis.
Speaking? Formally a no-no. Informally, ok. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm in agreement with Glenski. It is generally considered to be incorrect, but it is often used in prose to add emphasis. It has no place in an academic composition.
In speech, there is a lot of flexibility. As long as the listeners can understand the meaning, then the speaker was successful. An extra "and" is unlikely to interfere with comprehension. In fact it is likely to aid it. |
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waygukgaijinhaole

Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Seoul, between Kyobo Tower & the Ritz
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:00 am Post subject: |
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I have always been taught and teach that it is "incorrect" to start a sentence with 'and.' (I'm American.) I think the learners should know the formal rules, but also know that they will, as Glenski put it, "pick up any novel and...see it." I had a creative writing professor tell me once to "know all the rules and how to follow them, in order to properly break them." Sounds good. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:30 am Post subject: |
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And I agree with the the previous posters. |
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Cardinal Synn
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 586
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:36 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Glenski on this one. Beginning a sentence with "and", or even "but" can be very useful in conveying a certain feel or meaning when writing prose. You just have to look at the work of some modern writers to see how flexible the "rules" have become. Irvine Welsh for example. |
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Taishan

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 110
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I'll take that as generally a no, but with exceptions. My students are only at a basic level, in an American English book and seem to rely on this as a tool in their sentence construction (as it's in the book). I didn't want to get on their case until I knew that it was really wrong in US English. Thanks for the help. Obviously I wouldn't mark them down for using it now, but for repeated use I would, and I certainly wouldn't mind if it was used in speech. |
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Tamara

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 108
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Walsh (copy desk chief for the Washington Post) in Lapsing into a Comma says it's fine to begin sentences with conjunctions.
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nomadder

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 709 Location: Somewherebetweenhereandthere
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:09 am Post subject: |
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And don't use because either at the beginning. Because...it's bad. |
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juststeven
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 117
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Don't you just love the English language? How many ways we say the same thing. Our language has depth, all right; it's full of clauses, and syntax and confusing linear demands in it's structure. When an Arab asks me, "That you car?" I understand. After six weeks of teaching them our language, from the present tense to the progressive(continuous) they come to me and say, "Teacher, go bathroom"!  |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Taishan wrote: |
OK, I'll take that as generally a no, but with exceptions. My students are only at a basic level, in an American English book and seem to rely on this as a tool in their sentence construction (as it's in the book). I didn't want to get on their case until I knew that it was really wrong in US English. Thanks for the help. Obviously I wouldn't mark them down for using it now, but for repeated use I would, and I certainly wouldn't mind if it was used in speech. |
Why don't tell them now it is incorrect in academic writing. That is better than letting them do it now and later say it is wrong. That will confuse them. Very easy to say don't start sentences with and, but, or because. |
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carnac
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 310 Location: in my village in Oman ;-)
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:49 am Post subject: |
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And permit me to add one more thing. Because it's important. "confusing linear demands in it's structure": "it's" is NOT possessive. Please. But, you knew that, right? So we agree it's a worse sin than beginning a sentence with a conjunction? Or I'll have to take you out and shoot you. After hanging you by the thumbs. Since it's the right thing to do. Although a plea for typographical leniency might be considered by the jury. Unless it was done intentionally. Whereas, if this were the case, no mercy could be permitted.  |
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