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sandinista445
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 136 Location: 世界
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:05 am Post subject: where to go? |
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I'm thinking of heading to Japan this summer and was wondering which cities people would recommend. I'm looking at some of the medium to large cities (Kyoto, Osaka). I'd like to go somewhere big, but not too overwhelming. Somewhere fun, but with some traditional Japanese architecture too. Any ideas? |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: Re: where to go? |
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sandinista445 wrote: |
I'm thinking of heading to Japan this summer and was wondering which cities people would recommend. I'm looking at some of the medium to large cities (Kyoto, Osaka). I'd like to go somewhere big, but not too overwhelming. Somewhere fun, but with some traditional Japanese architecture too. Any ideas? |
Osaka is as big as you could get, besides Tokyo. Kyoto is large as well. At this point, I'd like to just start telling people that if you want to get to Japan at all, you are not going to be the one who decides where you will live.
Location choice is competetive, and seniority rules. Just try and get to Japan, first, then try and relocate after a year or two. |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:25 am Post subject: Re: where to go? |
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Nismo wrote: |
Osaka is as big as you could get, besides Tokyo. Kyoto is large as well. At this point, I'd like to just start telling people that if you want to get to Japan at all, you are not going to be the one who decides where you will live.
Location choice is competetive, and seniority rules. Just try and get to Japan, first, then try and relocate after a year or two. |
I think this is hogwash. If you want to be in a big city, go to a big city. Don't go to a small town for and wait a year and then go to the big city. There are more jobs in the city. Just be prepared to have some trouble at first. Kyoto would not be a good choice because there are so many foreigners there right now, that are willing to work for less just to be in Kyoto, it's really, really competitive.
Research and make sure you come during a busy time of year, not during the slower periods to give yourself a better chance at landing a job more quickly. |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Canuck: I'm not implying that sandinista should seek out a job in a smaller city. Read my post over again, maybe my wording was unclear. What I was suggesting was that if you want to get to Japan, you can't be picky about where you will be placed. Heck, you could even be placed in Tokyo if there is an opening. I am aware there are more positions in larger cities, that's logical. But if you start holding out on job offers for a specific location, you might be waiting for a long time to land a position.
I think I might have misinterpreted Sandinista's original post, as I assumed that s/he was going to apply before coming over. So, Sandinista, if you intend to fly to Japan and look for a job once you arrive, just be prepared to travel a lot to interviews in different cities. It took me 2 months to land a part-time job in Tokyo, but I wasn't searching very hard at the time. Actually, that job just sort of fell into my lap, although other positions I had been applying for were not going through. Just be patient with the process, and try to be as flexible as you can (without entirely sacrificing your preferences and happiness). |
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sandinista445
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 136 Location: 世界
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tips. No I don't have a job yet, so I'll wait until I get a contract before booking a flight. I realize I might not have a choice as far as locations, but if I do I'd like to have a good idea of what the options are before I make up my mind. So far I've been leaning towards Kyoto, but wasn't surprised (only disappointed) to hear that it might be hard to get a job there. I actually wouldn't mind Tokyo, it's just that I've heard the smaller cities aren't quite as expensive as Tokyo. I've heard nice things about Osaka too. Anyone here have any opinions on the southern cities like Fukuoka or Nagasaki or any other cities for that matter? |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:41 am Post subject: |
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The most sought after locations are as follows:
1. Osaka
2. Sapporo
3. Tokyo
4. Kyoto
5. Fukuoka
6. Yokohama
After that, a lot of people try and get positions in Saitama or Chiba to be near Tokyo, but on the outskirts of it. Okinawa is pretty much out of the question, as mostly spouses of military employees do teaching on a dependant visa.
You might consider looking for a position in Hyogo-ken. Some cities are about 40 minutes away from Kobe/Osaka area. |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Don't come to Osaka thinking you can save money just because "it's not Tokyo" because that's likely not going to happen. Osaka and Tokyo seem to constantly jockey for positioning as the most expensive city in Japan. Oh, and Osaka is not a "medium-sized" city by any means. The city itself has about 3 million people and the metropolis has maybe 4 or 5 times that amount or even more.
If you want an actual medium sized city, you might want to give Sendai or Hiroshima a second look. Nagoya is much bigger and seems to be less popular with foreigners, but the cost of living there is considerably cheaper than Osaka and Tokyo. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: |
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for jobs, they tend to be in the Tokyo area and Nagoya, and in the Kansai area. Good luck getting a job in Kyushu. I hear it`s tough.
Mid sizes places could be Hiroshima, Kobe, and Sendai.
If you like architecture, I recommend Kanazawa and Kurashiki (in Okayama). Kurashiki is looking for ALTs. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: |
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If I could choose a city in Japan to live, I'd pick Kobe or Hiroshima. |
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 569 Location: Kagoshima
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Good luck getting a job in Kyushu. I hear it`s tough. |
You got that right! That's why many of us here hold a vise-like grip on our jobs and won't readily let go!  |
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GreenDestiny

Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 88 Location: International
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Nismo wrote: |
The most sought after locations are as follows:
1. Osaka
2. Sapporo
3. Tokyo
4. Kyoto
5. Fukuoka
6. Yokohama
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Where did you get these statistics? I guess assuming Tokyo to be #1 is incorrect.
All the best,
GreenDestiny
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joncharles
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 132 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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I kind of lucked out and ended up in Tsukuba Science City. It is a small city with a mix of modern buildings and small farms. There are a lot of foreigners here too. Very few are English teachers. Since Tsukuba is where most of the Japanese Government's research facilities are located, I have met scientists and researchers from all over the world. There is also a large university, a women's college and a medical school.
It is a very nice place and it is not too far from Tokyo if one wants to take on the city once-in-a-while. |
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GreenDestiny

Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 88 Location: International
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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joncharles wrote: |
I kind of lucked out and ended up in Tsukuba Science City. It is a small city with a mix of modern buildings and small farms. There are a lot of foreigners here too. Very few are English teachers. Since Tsukuba is where most of the Japanese Government's research facilities are located, I have met scientists and researchers from all over the world. There is also a large university, a women's college and a medical school.
It is a very nice place and it is not too far from Tokyo if one wants to take on the city once-in-a-while. |
Jon, it's interesting that you mention Tsukuba Science City, as I know a beautiful j-girl there. She was an intern in my US office for 6 months. Among other things, we went to see 'Lost in Translation' at a local independent theatre. Very fun to be around. She told me quite a bit about the city and proximity to Tokyo, as for its academic community.
Would you care to elaborate on the current job market in Tsukuba?
All the best,
GreenDestiny |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Green:
I would have thought Tokyo would be number one as well, but (according to the recruiter who informed me) it fluctuates and current top 2 cities are Osaka and Sapporo. Osaka didn't throw me off as being number one, but I would have not even considered placeing Sapporo on the list above number 7.
A logical explanation is that foreigners looking to come to Japan are finally wising up and realizing that Tokyo is an entirely different beast than Japan. It has a culture all it's own, and that isn't necessarily good. For one thing, the general populace is noticeably more cold-shouldered than the rest of Japan. |
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spidey
Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 382 Location: Web-slinging over Japan...
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Nismo wrote: |
A logical explanation is that foreigners looking to come to Japan are finally wising up and realizing that Tokyo is an entirely different beast than Japan. It has a culture all it's own, and that isn't necessarily good. For one thing, the general populace is noticeably more cold-shouldered than the rest of Japan. |
Sounds like, "The Big City Syndrome." Doesn't matter where you are.
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