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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Canuck, considering he left school at 15 and has five years experience in IT and work experience, give or take a year or two my guess he is in his early 20's maybe 22, young enough to go on working holiday, but Im sure he has already looked into his age eligibility. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| i'll be honest on my CV, i just won't make it obvious that i left high school before finishing 10th grade. |
And, just how are you going to do that? Everyone and his brother has a section for education on his CV/resume. It contains the colleges he attended and sometimes the high school (depends on how young one is). You can't put any college on it. You can't say you graduated from HS, so the best you can do is simply write the name of the high school. To avoid saying you graduated and " be happy to leave that part out of my cv and skirt around the truth during interviews" is tantamount to lying about graduating, and to say nothing will raise suspicions when someone probably asks about your educational background. Saying your "experience is all self taught" will get you nothing except a polite thank you and someone showing you the door. Heed the advice from canuck, as he's got the inside track in your field.
As for Zzonk, he's been in Japan about 2 years now, started out with no Japanese skills, I believe, and has tried extremely hard to learn it in his little free time. Heed HIS words in terms of learning the language, if no one else's. Besides, you wrote...
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| my goal is not to speak english all day teaching or programming for a foreign company. i want to improve my japanese to a level where i will be able to get a job with a japanese company where my english and japanese skills will be required. |
Well, you just may have to speak a boatload of Japanese, and read it as well. Your English skills are pretty much not wanted here unless you are practically fluent in Japanese as well (teaching jobs are an exception).
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| i don't want ONLY a programming job, i said this is my ideal. there are some aspects that make me want to teach english, and there are other reasons that make me want a REAL job in japan (any REAL job -- programming just happens to be my field). |
Sorry to come down so hard on you, but this is the first time you insinuated you are even slightly interested in anything other than teaching or IT. What sort of job do you think a person like you can do here? Self-taught skills, no degree, no HS diploma, only 20 years old or so, no Japanese skills. Look at the situation in reverse. If a Russian who speaks no English and had the same "skill set" as you came to Australia looking for work, what do you think his odds would be?
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| i want to make learning japanese a priority and i have a little savings so i was considering doing full time study and part time teaching or private conversation practice etc. |
You won't be able to survive financially for long. If you really and truly want to make learning the language a priority, stay in Australia and study your head off, THEN come here. You might also want to consider getting a HS equivalent certificate (called GED in the USA) just for safety. Even on a spouse visa, employers tend to look at your credentials, not just the fact that you have a Japanese wife.
Final note, I hope you realize just how much it will cost to pay for a Japanese wedding and have budgeted for that.
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PAULH
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Just to throw some more gasoline on the barbie,
On Gaijinpot there was a 23 year old cartoon artist with no degree and a Japanese fiance, he's coming to Japan asking for advice about getting drawing jobs and living in Japan. J-Wife doesnt want to live in the US as she hates Americans which means he has to live in Japan if he gets married to J-girl at age 23.
Say you get married to your Japanese girlfriend you have to consider how you will eventually support yourself, your wife, and any kids you have 5 years down the line,what language they will speak at home. You will soon outstay your welcome at your inlaws if you have no degree, can not speak Japanese and cant get a job here or earn enough to pay your rent and you are living under their roof.
This is even before kids come into the picture. How does your girlfriend feel about emigrating to Australia? Im not your girlfriend but many Japanese women do not travel when it comes to long term expat lifestyles. Not living as a tourist but as a permanent resident, for say 5-10 years away from her family and friends? How would you feel about living in Japan with your wife for 10 years? Both Glenski and I are married to locals, have kids and are practically lifers here becuase of kids and job commitments. I know you probably havent thought about this much but if you have a Japanese girlfriend you are planning on taking things to the next level, spouse visa etc its probably a good idea to start.
Some things to think about. |
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Glenski
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Sherri
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: The Big Island, Hawaii
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mrmachine
I know you said you want to work for a Japanese company and use your Japanese skills, but to be realistic, it would take years of fulltime study for your spoken and written Japanese to be up to standard.
Have you considered working for a foreign capital company in Japan? I know of a couple of guys who work for foreign companies in Japan who do not speak more than conversational Japanese. At least you would not be teaching. I actually consider teaching a "real job" but you don't sound so keen and it is probably better for you and your potential students if you don't. Working for a foreign company might be a better middle ground.
I think your best bet would be to find a company in Australia to hire you, then get a transfer to their Japan office. This is the route most of the people of know of (who do not speak Japanese) end up working for a Japanese or foreign capital company in their field.
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mrmachine
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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canuck,
i am 25, and as far as i can tell from the japanese consulate site in australia i am eligable for a working holiday visa. i don't mind working only part time or not at all for a while and eating into my savings. and i will be co-habiting with my girlfriend so hopefully we can get by sharing the costs easier than if i were coming on my own.
thanks for the info about working for a japanese software company. i know it is not easy and may never happen, but i hope that later on down the track i may be able to score an ok job through experience, some japanese language ability, and contacts to get me through the door. i've heard that 70% of jobs are acquired through contacts in japan.
paulh,
i left high school at 16, wasted a few years bumming around and playing with computers (and did some TAFE training in-between -- but not related to computers), then got serious about work in IT in 1999.
glenski,
don't write on my cv "i did not finish 10th grade", instead i'll write "last year attended 10th grade" or something more ambiguous. in all of my cv's and all of my job interviews in australia, i have never had an education section and i have never been questioned on it. again, i know we are talking about japanese jobs here, but i am just letting you know where i am coming from. i know it will be different and very hard to find work in my field with no on-paper qualifications.
as for what types of job am i after, i wrote that i am not ONLY after a programming job as it was suggested by somebody that i am ONLY willing to take a single type of job. when i initially thought about a trip to japan i thought that the only job i could possibly do is teaching english, and then i was told by some japanese friends that i should be able to get a decent programming job in tokyo so i expanded the possibilities to include that and am looking into it. i don't have my heart set on programming, and i don't have my heart set on teaching english. although for some reasons i do want to teach, and other reasons i would rather do what i am already comfortable with (programming). if i can't find work programming or teaching, then i will be up shit creek or looking for other alternatives. i don't know what they are though, if there even are any.
as for staying in australia and studying japanese and getting a HS equivelent qualification, i don't have time. circumstances have brought about this trip earlier than i had anticipated. i have been studying japanese part time as i have been preparing for this trip. but i'm not going to invest considerable time in acquiring a paper qualification that is useless to me in australia where my future is, for the sake of a short-term stay in japan.
about wedding costs, i'm not getting married to get a visa so i have a slightly better chance of finding a job in japan. if i decide to marry, it will be because i am sure i want to spend the rest of my life with my spouse.
paulh,
i have thought about the issues you raised with kids and where to live long-term etc. i met my girlfriend in australia and she has been here since 1999 on all kinda of visas. she is trying to get permanent residency in australia. she loves australia. if we end up staying together, and i hope that we do, i think we both feel that australia is a great country to live and a great country to raise kids. it is easier for us both to work and be financially successful and have a more relaxed lifestyle in australia. of course there are long distance family issues either way. if we stay in australia the kids will also learn japanese, and there will be many trips back to japan.
this trip to japan was planned for any time before my eligibility (due to age) ceases, but the trip to japan has been accelerated because my girlfriend had to move back for a year. so i plan to live there and work / survive / enjoy however i can until her obligations are up, and then if we are having fun and / or i have a good job opportunity in japan we will stay a while longer before moving elsewhere. otherwise, we may try europe for a while before returning to australia.
sherri,
i am totally up for work with a foreign company in japan where japanese language is not required. if that opportunity opens up for me, i will take it asap. but it is out of the question to be hired in australia by such a company in the hope that they may transfer me. as i said, i am coming to japan in jan/feb. now i need to formulate the best plan of attack for my arrival 
i also consider teaching a "real" job, and there are aspects of it that i am excited about and make me want to do it. but there is also always a little part of me that gets nervous and wants to fall back into my comfort / safety zone of programming. as with all situations, i try to take them for what they are, and make the best of all positive aspects and also realise that the negative are not always so negative and as always, experience good or bad is experience that will enhance my view on and experience in the world and benefit my future.
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i apologise for the length of this post, and thank you all for constructive criticism and positive encouragement / ideas. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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about wedding costs, i'm not getting married to get a visa so i have a slightly better chance of finding a job in japan. if i decide to marry, it will be because i am sure i want to spend the rest of my life with my spouse.
paulh,
i have thought about the issues you raised with kids and where to live long-term etc. i met my girlfriend in australia and she has been here since 1999 on all kinda of visas. she is trying to get permanent residency in australia. she loves australia. if we end up staying together, and i hope that we do, i think we both feel that australia is a great country to live and a great country to raise kids. it is easier for us both to work and be financially successful and have a more relaxed lifestyle in australia. of course there are long distance family issues either way. if we stay in australia the kids will also learn japanese, and there will be many trips back to japan.
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Mr Machine, this is neither here nor there, but I am a Kiwi living in Japan (which is why I know about gosford - I passed through it on one of my university vacations), If you get married in Australia I can guarantee you will have a more memorable occasion than the circus a church wedding in Japan becomes. 99% of Japanese are not Christians and a church wedding with minister, choir and musicians can run into the thousands of dollars. I got married to my spouse in Auckland at my university chapel and the wedding cost no more than a few hundred dollars with a small reception. Many Japanese go to Hawaii and Australia to get married to avoid the high cost of weddings here.
About the family, I am coming from the other end of the spectrum as I have kids here and I would advise against raising and educating kids (mine are 5 and 10) here for a number of reasons. Language and identity issues, bilingualism issues, bullying at school, being separated from paternal grandparents, the cost of education in Japan are a few of them. I am contemplating a move to Australia myself in the next few years, perhaps Melbourne because of an iron ceiling in place at my university job, and career issues I am contending with. Salary and costs of raising a family on a reduced income are things I am thinking about presently but the standard of living in Australia is higher, kids can learn English in a natural environment and they are closer to nature and animals. I took my daughter home a year or two ago and she rode a horse on the beach, and swam with dolphins, something she can not do in Japan, for instance where horse riding involves being led round in a circle in a small paddock. The cultural differences are quite wide here.
I know its quite hard for most Japanese to get work visas etc to stay in Australia as my wife worked for two years on the Gold Coast with a Japanese company and had to jump through all sorts of hoops. Even harder for a single girl like your fiance on her own in Australia. Vestiges of the White Australia policy perhaps. |
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mrmachine
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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paulh,
thanks again for sharing your experiences with me. it is a great benefit to hear from people in your situation, one where i may find myself a little down the track. your comments about raising kids in japan, career troubles, and quality / ease of life overseas are pretty much what i thought would be the case. not that i have anything against japan or japanese culture or would want to seperate my kids from that heritage if i had japanese kids, but i firmly believe that australia is an awesome place to settle down and an awesome environment to raise kids.
as you said, the kids can be close to nature. i grew up in beach towns surrounded by open-minded people and multi-culturalism. we have very good public education and health care systems (although they are slowly being eroded). i think kids growing up in australia have amazing opportunity to choose / create a successful life for themselves. i have not had to try particularly hard to achieve a pretty awesome level of success in my chosen field. i have a great paying job in a small company that is making money, where the bosses are more interested in creating a small sustainable environment where all employees will be happy to stay. their focus is not on maximum profits. i made extraordinary demands when i started work there even with no high school certificate, and they bent over backwards to give them to me. e.g. pay rise above what i initially asked for before i even started, 6 weeks holiday 2 months into the job so i could take a trip to china. plus i get to work whenever i want, leave when i want, and my boss thinks i'm doing an awesome job and surprises me with cash bonuses. we have a pool table in the office which is in use frequently, and we do office bbq's on the balcony regularly, and every now and then hire a private yacht and go on a harbour cruise / bbq / party.
i am certain that there is no chance i will find a job anywhere even close to that in japan. but i also know that i am young, and fascinated by japan and a desire to travel. i know that work is not everything. that there will be other jobs, and eventually i want to run my own business or change career in the not too distant future. and of course, i'm in love. so i've accelerated my plans to travel to japan, and i'm giving up this awesome job. i don't expect anything even close to it during my stay in japan, but i am trying to assess my options and formulate the best plan of attack to make my stay successful and enjoyable.
my priorities are to be able to spend time with my girlfriend, to learn japanese and become more involved in the culture than only watching from the sidelines. my only regret from my trip to china was that i couldnt speak to the people. so i promised myself that my next trip would be solo or with a girlfriend, and that i would learn some of the language before i lleft australia. i have learned some of the language but not as much as i'd like, and my departure is a little more rushed than i would have planned due to circumstance. but i'm sure i will have a great stay in japan, and learn some new things and broaden my character a little. and when i return to australia, i'm confident that i'll find another job that i enjoy, or start my own business. i'm confident that i'll enjoy japan and not regret leaving everything i have here because i know that happiness comes from within, and where i go i take myself with me.
thanks again for sharing your experiences with me. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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I'm sorry to be so negative at this point, but I can't help it, mrmachine.
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| don't write on my cv "i did not finish 10th grade", instead i'll write "last year attended 10th grade" or something more ambiguous. in all of my cv's and all of my job interviews in australia, i have never had an education section and i have never been questioned on it. |
Sorry if this sounds sarcastic, but this is not Australia, and looking for work here entails more than what you have encountered in Oz. You are in for a big shock, and there is nothing "ambiguous" about writing that on a resume. In fact, you will get turned down 99.9% of the time, in my opinion. Maybe more. You are a foreigner here, and it is about who you know, yes, but just knowing someone gets your foot in the door, but expect questions about your education. I guarantee it.
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| when i initially thought about a trip to japan i thought that the only job i could possibly do is teaching english, and then i was told by some japanese friends that i should be able to get a decent programming job in tokyo |
Do those "friends" know anything about hiring foreigners? "Should" be able to get a job, and getting it are quite different things, and again, I have to say, you are in for a shock and nothing but negativity.
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| as for staying in australia and studying japanese and getting a HS equivelent qualification, i don't have time. |
You don't have a year? That's what it seems to me that you have. If you are so enamored with your girlfriend, and if the feeling is mutual, you will both be able to wait. This may sound silly, but I've recently seen a ton of messages like yours, where the gf or bf just cannot wait, and his/her potential work situation is as bleak as they come. You won't listen to me, I know, but all I can say is, if you REALLY want half a chance at surviving your life with her, you'll find a way to wait. If your current job is so good, stay at it, take time off to study for that HS equivalent (assuming your boss is as kind-hearted as you say), and get a basic minimum diploma under your belt.
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| about wedding costs, i'm not getting married to get a visa |
Huh? Never said you were. I meant you will need a lot of money to pay for the wedding if you have it over here. |
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mrmachine
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glenksi,
i know japan is not australia, and i know there are completely different criteria for hiring in japan. i have already said that, when i tried to explain that i was only giving you some background information on my situation here, and not describing the situation i expect to find in japan.
my friends who have spoken about being hired as a programmer have said that it is / will be hard to find work outside of teaching (at least initially), that education is a problem on my cv but that i can work around it, and that they personally have good contacts in many famous japanese companies in tokyo who can get people hired, and that they may be able to help me get a foot in the door through those contacts. i'm not counting on this happening. i've described it as an ideal outcome, not a probable one.
as for study and delaying my plans, that's right. i don't have a year. and i won't waste a year in australia getting a qualification that is meaningless to my long-term goals in australia, for the sake of a 1-2 year detour in my career through japan. i'd rather just find easier work (in terms of the hiring requirements) during my stay in japan than spend a year to get a useless piece of paper so that i can try and find a job half as good as those i can find in australia (and actually be hired for), where i will return sooner or later. as i have said before, getting a job in IT in japan is not the be all and end all. it would be nice, but i'm not going to invest years of preperation to make it happen. the time for this trip is now, for many reasons. this is a temporary trip to japan not an indefinate relocation. it's a working holiday and only potentially more if things go well. and i have plans for after this trip for europe and australia. i won't delay everything because you think i should take time off work, stay in australia to study for high school equivilency qualification, and endure a long distance relationship (or end the relationship).
finally, i don't need relationship advice from you. i didn't come here for relationship advice. only i and my girlfriend know the situation between us, and what is likely to work or not. and you are generalising when you group me in with everyone you've recently read messages from about people who "just cannot wait". i've never said that my trip to japan is to be with my girlfriend because i just cannot wait any longer. i was planning to come to japan anyway for myself, before i even met her. now my plans have changed slightly (accelerated by a few months over the initial plan) because of our relationship.
but you don't need to know all the details of my relationship. all you need to know about is the fact that i have started to consider the variations of the possibilities of working as a teacher and studying part time, or finding IT contracts from back home to be completed remotely, or studying full time then trying to find a job that will immerse me more in japanese language and culture than teaching english, and the hiring obstacles i am likely to encounter for all types of work i might persue, and constructive criticism that will improve my situation within the boundaries i have set. e.g. initially i will be living somewhere between osaka and wakayama for 6-9 months, i am arriving in late jan or early feb, i don't have a university degree but i do have real-world IT/web experience. |
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canuck
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canuck,
i am 25, and as far as i can tell from the japanese consulate site in australia i am eligable for a working holiday visa. i don't mind working only part time or not at all for a while and eating into my savings. and i will be co-habiting with my girlfriend so hopefully we can get by sharing the costs easier than if i were coming on my own.
thanks for the info about working for a japanese software company. i know it is not easy and may never happen, but i hope that later on down the track i may be able to score an ok job through experience, some japanese language ability, and contacts to get me through the door. i've heard that 70% of jobs are acquired through contacts in japan.
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Yeah, you can get a working holiday until you are 30.
As far as programming goes, what languages do you know? Have you thought about the fact that Japanese programmers comment in Japanese? Have you thought about the fact that the software menus are Japanese? Working in a team environment would be difficult.
As far as IT goes, without some certification, I think it's going to be very difficult. In addition, the Japanese factor is also a hurdle as Japanese companies run Japanese software with Japanese text. It's one thing wandering around Windows because you know where everything is, but it's another troubleshooting in Japanese.
The easiest transition would be web design, but people are a dime a dozen.
I don't mean to sound negative, just trying to offer some insight and be realistic. There are more computer jobs for foreigners in Tokyo, but if you're coming this way, that doesn't help.
There is also lots of competition, as I've stated. There are far more Indians over here that already speak Japanese with experience and qualifications and a 3rd language that are looking for the same type of job you require.
I would go frome the aspect that you're coming over here to teach, and worry about securing a job to pay for food and living expenses. Good luck. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| finally, i don't need relationship advice from you. i didn't come here for relationship advice. only i and my girlfriend know the situation between us, and what is likely to work or not. and you are generalising when you group me in with everyone you've recently read messages from about people who "just cannot wait". |
Please reread what I wrote. It was not meant to be any form of advice on your relationship. It was meant solely to give you advice on the practicality of finding work here. I had to mention a bit about your relationship just to make that point. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. |
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Glenski
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One more thought on IT jobs. I hope you have read even one of the threads I posted above. I visited another forum and got this from a guy who is a programmer here. The underlined red parts are my emphasis.
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Honestly, with the competition in Japan for jobs, being Japanese much less being a foreigner who is only looking for a temporary job while they come to be with with their gf...it doesnt look good for IT. A 4 yr degree AND certifications and daily conversation language ability is usually the minimum. The guy you mentioned should either (a) come teach English to make enough to contribute to pay for food and such for both of them or (b) stay in Australia and just wait for his gf to do what she has to do and then go see her.
His Japanese friends telling him what they did about job opportunities is no help unless they actually turn him on to a place to work. If you know anything about Japanese, they will never tell you bad news.... so I wouldnt count on that. Unless he gets some kind of offer before he arrives, I dont think he will be able to find anything in IT.
Its like this, EVERYone seems to have 5 yrs or more experience and they also have degrees and certs and other skills outside of IT....its a tough market here, especially for someone only wanting to work here for a little while. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| my priorities are to be able to spend time with my girlfriend, to learn japanese and become more involved in the culture than only watching from the sidelines. my only regret from my trip to china was that i couldnt speak to the people. so i promised myself that my next trip would be solo or with a girlfriend, and that i would learn some of the language before i lleft australia. i have learned some of the language but not as much as i'd like, and my departure is a little more rushed than i would have planned due to circumstance. thanks again for sharing your experiences with me. |
Mr Machine
I dont really have anything extra to add, but if what Glenski is true, you are probably S-0-L finding a decent IT job job but Im sure you know the odds already.
To change the subject. I found something that may help you learn to speak Japanese quickly but its not replacement for actually learning the grammar and throughly memorising Kanji etc. There are books for learning Kanji quickly using mnemomics (sentences to describe a picture or word like the link below does) but you still need to be able to learn correct, usage word, dialect order etc). In Wakayama they will speak a rather countrified version of Osaka dialect (there is a Wakayama dialect too) and it will sound a lot different than what your girlfriend speaks. Its like your girlfriend learning English from Paul Hogan.
As for learning Japanese to reach a reasonable level of conversational Japanese above basic tourist-speak and asking directions etc you are looking at probably a year or two of full-time study. I speak Japanese to a high intermediate level (my Kanji is about 5th grade level) and reached Level 2 of the japanese proficiency exam (took 2-3 years of study, about 5000 vocabulary) but if the IT jobs are not there as he suggests I would suggest you consider spending some time here perhaps enrolled in a language school, spend 3-6 months months learning japanese and reaching a decent level. Im sure your GF speaks good English but she will appreciate having someone around who speaks her language and her mother will appreciate it as well. No one in my wifes family speaks Englsih and it makes a big difference as things dont have to go through your GF/fiance.
You will probably also find that the less time you actaully spend working on your job, the more time you spend on learning Japanese the better your Japanese will become. its all a matter of priorities. maybe working in an immersion environment is ideal but in a busy office they are not there to teach you Japanese and you will be being paid to do a particular job, not learn Japanese or use your co-workers as unpaid Japanese teachers. Your listening and comprehension skills may improve in such a situation but your reading and writing skills wont unless you actually sit down and memorise the different Kanji and their readings. You really need a solid linguistic and grammatical base, maybe know a thousand or so Kanji and have some reading and speaking ability, as i think you will be in over your head if to try to juggle a job and try to do programming and reading japanese software when you cant get past putting together a basic sentence in Japanese,much less read any of the language.
Anyway here is the link.
http://www.unforgettablelanguages.com/frames_a5.html |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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Some more on speaking using local dialects
http://forum.japantoday.com/m_54798/mpage_/printable.htm
Not only that you will have to deal with Japanese peoples reaction to a blonde blue-eyed Aussie trying to sound like a local speaking Osaka dialect. There are a few people around too who think foreigners shouldnt try to speak Japanese. They wont say it out loud but thats what they will be thinking. |
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