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[KES]

cj750... I don't know the intent of the new procedure, so I won't hazard a guess.

Our Chinese manager is going to try to get clarification on some points we discussed over the phone. In particular:

1. "Cancellation". If a school reports a FT has left their employment to the PSB, what happens then?

Will the PSB then make a database entry that may later show the teacher with a 'gap' in employment periods? From what I understand, there will be a database tracking system that will, as a minimum, show the issuance of the permit.

Will there be a grace period after a FT exits a school where the FT can be legally in country and employable? If so, how long?

2. Confirmation that the "red stamped" letter of service is no longer required from a former employer to secure new employment.

I hope to have these answers early next week. Even then however, that will only be the answer from a single PSB in China and not necessarily interpeted the same everywhere else.

I'll let you know what I find out.

[musicexec]

Hey all, glad to see this post on here. In planning for my holiday I went to local PSB to get the re entry visa and was told they did not issue anymore. Being in a smaller city (YiWu) they happen to be about 5 years behind the curve Saw this post, printed the new permit pictures and went back yesterday..finally this they understood.
I had to go through all of problems and hassles that I encountered orginally applying for the permit. This included a new set of copies of all the paperwork and new photos. I was told I had to pay 50rmb and have them taken there.
Good news I pick my passport with the new permit up on Thursday.

[7969]

i think i'm getting ripped off. i asked our FAO to get me a re-entry permit in my passport so that i could leave china for thailand in two weeks. he told me it would cost RMB 400, two photos and i'd have it in a week.

he also told me that i wouldnt be getting my green book back (residency permit) as it's been replaced by a sticker in the passport. if i read the previous posts correctly, and this new residency permit also serves as a re-entry permit to china, then what did i pay RMB400 for?

does the new residency permit/sticker really double as a re-entry permit to this country?

can anyone clarify this?

warmest regards ~7969

[7969]

after reading the link posted by smalldog, it appears that my FAO has cheated me out of RMB400.

from the link:

[Roger]

400 kuai for a re-entry permit IS a rip-off! Chinese pay anywhere below or up to 50 kuai for such a thing. But a FAO canalways claim "administrative costs". You were taking up his time, after all...

[7969]

[parvati_overdrive]

Yes of course Roger one must generally carry ID documents on ones person. I was under the impression thats what the book was for. So now, one must carry their passports wherever they go, which is fine when one is traveling but a bit pedantic in ones local city.

We are supposed to carry passports here in Thailand by law. I carry photocopies and hope if stopped it/they will suffice.

Carrying such an important document/s on a daily basis opens one up to pickpockets, loss and a general thrashing of the document.

I don't understand the whole residence sticker/booklet thing anyway. It's sort of explains in and of itself what a clusterfkuc China is.

[smalldog]

7969, I think the 400 you paid is for the new residence permit sticker. I know an American who paid the same price and I'm sure he wasn't cheated. I don't know if the price depends on nationality--prices for the old re-entry visas did, with UK citizens paying nearly 500 yuan. Don't know what Roger's on about as Chinese citizens don't need such things.

[kev7161]

I went on Friday with all my paperwork, handed over my green book (will not get that back), and was told (in English) that my passport will have my new residence permit in it. It will also double as a multi-entry visa until my residence here expires (Aug. 31, 2005). Anytime I want to go outside China's borders in the next 7 months, I no longer need to apply for a re-entry visa. The cost is 400rmb (which is really crappy, as I was told my original green book cost my school over 800rmb and it hadn't expired yet), but China has to keep its economy growing somehow. Charging foreigners a huge amount for "paperwork" is one way of doing it, I suppose.

[musicexec]

As I can see people here have been charged 400rmb for the new permit. Hummmmmmm. My local PSB did not charge me a thing besides having to take digital photos here instead of using my old ones. Funny as how there is no real standard in China for anything..

[KES]

CJ750 and others interested.

Our Chinese Manager got some clarification.

The local PSB says that when a FT leaves a school, under whatever circumstances, the following will happen:
1. The school will notify the PSB.
2. The PSB will mark the residence permit (in thier database) as "invalid" 3-5 days after being notified by the school.
3. During the 3-5 day period the FT is free to travel and secure another job. No "red stamped" release letter is required for new employment.
4. After the 3-5 day gace period, the FT will be fined 500RMB per day if they have not found a new employer to process their residence permit paperwork.
5. When the FT's new employer processes the paperwork at the PSB, an entry will be made in the database showing the residence permit to be "valid" again. A new permit will not be physically issued - just an update to the database.

Our Chinese manager said the PSB said the purpose of the change was to make it easier for foreign employees to switch employers.

This is all the information I have at hand and I don't know any more about it than what I have relayed.

Again, this information is secondhand, from only one PSB in China. Your milage may vary.

Happy holidays to all.