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Songbird



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Location: State of Chaos, Panic & Disorder...

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Money Changing in Oz Reply with quote

Whoever said it was impossible to save 70% (or similar words)- hey, I do it no prob! Food and bits and pieces here in Gansu cost me no more than 700 per month (I earn 4500) and I allow about 500 per month to save for travelling (I plan to only travel in the holidays, it's too far to plan to go anywhere in the semester, I am really remote!), the rest I easily save.

I plan to change my savings into Oz$ every couple of months, but I'm sure I'm going to have some money to take back home with me in December- can I easily take money out of the country and change it back home? My bank will not change RMB, I don't think I have much choice but to do it at Brissie Airport......is there a limit to how much actually RMB I can legally take out of the country?
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cujobytes



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: > Reply with quote

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Whoever said it was impossible to save 70% (or similar words)- hey, I do it no prob! Food and bits and pieces here in Gansu cost me no more than 700 per month (I earn 4500) and I allow about 500 per month to save for travelling (I plan to only travel in the holidays, it's too far to plan to go anywhere in the semester, I am really remote!), the rest I easily save.


You must live a terribly boring existance Songbird.

I blow that in a night (not every night) I think life is to be enjoyed, don't be ikey on yourself. Cool
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Songbird



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:25 am    Post subject: Money Reply with quote

I guess I do, but like I said, I live in a really remote area, I don't drink and there is nowhere silly to eat like Maccas or KFC etc, all the eateries are your typical Chinese fare, a meal costing maybe 5 kuai max.

But hey, I have lotsa dosh to blow when travelling, though I still want to take a bit home with me at the end of the year! I'm planning on going to Tibet in July/ August, that alone will break the bank!
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amandabarrick



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change as much as you can, take what you cannot change and send a western union moneygram to yourself. When you arrive in the U.S. you can go to a bank and recieve it without any problem. If the bank of China gives you a problem about sending a western union moneygram to yourself, have a close friend you trust do it, or just go to the bank with him and he can send it to you. I have never had any problem recieving the moneygram once I arrived in the states.
AB
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struelle



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Change as much as you can, take what you cannot change and send a western union moneygram to yourself. When you arrive in the U.S. you can go to a bank and recieve it without any problem. If the bank of China gives you a problem about sending a western union moneygram to yourself, have a close friend you trust do it, or just go to the bank with him and he can send it to you. I have never had any problem recieving the moneygram once I arrived in the states.


This is ingenious!! But can you send a moneygram at all with RMB? I thought you couldn't. Because then, why wouldn't you just be able to send an international moneygram with RMB in the first place?

Please update,

Steve
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Western Union:
They don't change your money - you entrust to them money you have changed before entering their office. They often are affiliated with China Post or with a bank, but you still need to cut through red tape in those banks to change your loot.
One time I was going to send U.S. dollars to Taiwan; the WU person suggested I put the money between leafs of a book ... probably to camouflage it from the CHina customs?

No, I don't think that poster's idea is so great!
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amandabarrick



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to change money before entering their office, just send a moneygram with RMB. Yes, you can send RMB on a moneygram. No, you don't actually mail anything so their is no leaf of pages of a book involved. You can go to most any Bank of China and send an RMB western Union moneygram in any amount, just fill in the form. Once you arrive in the states, you can go to your bank and recieve the moneygram in the exact amount you sent when in China. For example, if you send a moneygram of 20,000 RMB western union, you will recieve in the states the U.S. dollar amount equal to 20,000 RMB. The reason I say to change as much possible before leaving China is that there is a fee for the moneygram, the more the amount of the moneygram the higher the fee. It is also safer than taking 20,000 RMB cash with you on the plane and changing it in the states.
AB
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millie



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello A/B,

And you received favourable exchange rates in USA for RMB Question

That would be most important.

Why not send US$ changed on the grey market at RMB 8.3 ?
M
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Tinman



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:22 am    Post subject: Millie, What's TST? Reply with quote

What's TST?
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Norman Bethune



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amandabarrick wrote:
You don't need to change money before entering their office, just send a moneygram with RMB. Yes, you can send RMB on a moneygram. No, you don't actually mail anything so their is no leaf of pages of a book involved. You can go to most any Bank of China and send an RMB western Union moneygram in any amount, just fill in the form. Once you arrive in the states, you can go to your bank and recieve the moneygram in the exact amount you sent when in China. For example, if you send a moneygram of 20,000 RMB western union, you will recieve in the states the U.S. dollar amount equal to 20,000 RMB. The reason I say to change as much possible before leaving China is that there is a fee for the moneygram, the more the amount of the moneygram the higher the fee. It is also safer than taking 20,000 RMB cash with you on the plane and changing it in the states.
AB


What you say may be possible...in some locations. Not every Bank of China Branch has knowledgable workers who know the current rules and regulations. Nor will many branches have someone on staff who will speak English well enough to understand what you want to do.

In my part of China, anything beyond a simple deposit or withdrawl at the Bank of China by a Foreigner has to be conducted at the Bank's main Branch in the heart of the City. The clerks in the section that deals with Foreigners, speak very poor english. Beyond "Hello" and "May I help you?" they can not manage.

Paperwork and time involved is an issue too. What you suggests sounds like a wasted day at my bank, nothing acieved because the Chinese Clerk will have to confer with so many different bosses and ensure all the paper is correct before saying "Sorry. Can't do it". Maybe that is not the case where you are. It is here.

Another issue is whether your bank will accept such a wire of RMB. Not everyone has a great full service bank that would deal with all the hassles involved. And the exhange rate and service fees for doing so would be a killer back in the US.
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amandabarrick



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norman,
I can't speak for every location in China. All I know is if you see the "Western Union" sign or advertisment at a Bank of China, it shouldn't be a hassle. I saw the form and completed it myself, then gave it to the bank clerk. She asked me one or two questions, I gave her the RMB in the amount I was wiring and she said the fee was xx RMB. It took 20 minutes. When I arrived to the states later that week I went to my personal bank and told them I was sent a Western Union money transaction fom China. I showed them my I.D. and recieved the money (U.S. dollars) in a few minutes. Obviously learning the language of the country you are living and working in might be a good idea. Wink The alternative would be to ask a native friend or coworker to accompany you to the bank. But I don't know if many on this site would trust a native to do anything for them.
AB
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clomper



Joined: 07 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... RMB Moneygram in Bank of China?? I haven't heard of this yet. The only Western Union offices that I know of are with China Post and Agricultural bank of China. Both of them only accepts USD as payment.

I'll try to inquire or is this service restricted to major cities and not the small ones?

Claudine

PS. Taipei is gloomy today.. Sad
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Norman Bethune



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amandabarrick wrote:
Norman,
I can't speak for every location in China. All I know is if you see the "Western Union" sign or advertisment at a Bank of China, it shouldn't be a hassle.


Using Western Union at the Post Office isn't a hassle either. I Do it all the time.

PLEASE READ ON FOR AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION:

Amandabarrick wrote:
I saw the form and completed it myself, then gave it to the bank clerk. She asked me one or two questions, I gave her the RMB in the amount I was wiring and she said the fee was xx RMB.


YOU DIDN'T SEND RMB TO THE US. YOU SENT USD TO THE US.

You were at the Bank of China. What you did was a two step process which you didn't recognize.

1. You gave the Clerk RMB which she converted into U.S. Dollars here in China.

2. After the conversion of the RMB into USD, the Clerk wired that USD to the US via western union.

Your description of what you did was muddled.


The Bank of Cina converted the money for you. Western Union sent the money to the U.S in US funds.

They were two seperate Transactions.

The Bank of China and Western Union are two separate entities.

HOWEVER, at the Bank where you did what you described, the clerk apparently did the work for BOTH. Probably the clerk is the designated "Laowai Handler" at the bank branch because she speak english.

Amandabarrick wrote:
It took 20 minutes. When I arrived to the states later that week I went to my personal bank and told them I was sent a Western Union money transaction fom China. I showed them my I.D. and recieved the money (U.S. dollars) in a few minutes.


Yes, every branch of the Bank of China has efficient staff and can expedite a transaction. To Hello with emoticons, that was sarcasm.

Amandabarrick wrote:
Obviously learning the language of the country you are living and working in might be a good idea. Wink


Ah yes. I have been here so long and I have never learned any of the language. I guess I am not too bright. I have yet to learn the trick that all of the rest of you do so that you can explain particle physics in Mandarin when you are drunk. Laughing

Amandabarrick wrote:
The alternative would be to ask a native friend or coworker to accompany you to the bank. But I don't know if many on this site would trust a native to do anything for them.
AB


Why ask someone to accompany me? Friends, co-workers, and even Mandarin speaking laowai have better things to do with their time. I recognise that not everyone is here on planet Earth just to help little old me. Most often than not, non-professional translators, the kind of person you mention above who would help me, create more poblems by not understanding what I ask them to translate. The concept of Bank Transit numbers, Branch Locations, Wire Transfers, monetary conversions, and the vocabulary in both English and Chinese is often unknown to the average helpful Chinese person. I can make myself understood quite well, thank you.

I manage quite well doing it by myself. I just can't tolerate the waste of time involved.

Again, not every Bank of China has the helpful, knowledgable, Fluent English Speaking staff that your Branch does.

Some of us live off the beaten track.
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millie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello AB
Quote:
just send a moneygram with RMB. Yes, you can send RMB on a moneygram.

May I ask again you in a form I am sure you understand?

美金对人民币的汇率是多少?

If you actually sent RMB, then this question is of central importance.

I am sure others will be interested in your answer.

Norman above has noted that you in fact converted your RMB to US$ at the BoC, no doubt providing all the necessary paperwork at the same time too.

M


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Norman Bethune



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amandabarrick wrote:
You don't need to change money before entering their office, just send a moneygram with RMB. Yes, you can send RMB on a moneygram. No, you don't actually mail anything so their is no leaf of pages of a book involved. You can go to most any Bank of China and send an RMB western Union moneygram in any amount, just fill in the form. Once you arrive in the states, you can go to your bank and recieve the moneygram in the exact amount you sent when in China. For example, if you send a moneygram of 20,000 RMB western union, you will recieve in the states the U.S. dollar amount equal to 20,000 RMB. The reason I say to change as much possible before leaving China is that there is a fee for the moneygram, the more the amount of the moneygram the higher the fee. It is also safer than taking 20,000 RMB cash with you on the plane and changing it in the states.
AB


The word office in this Post is misleading.

What the OP is describing is a trip to the BANK OF CHINA which also happens to be an AGENT FOR WESTERN UNION.

She converted money at the BANK OF CHINA.

Since the bank is also an AGENT FOR WESTERN UNION, the clerk who helped the OP with the money exchange, also did the work for WESTERN UNION.

It appeared to the OP that she just handed over RMB and sent it to the US where it was converted into US dollars.

This doesn't happen. The RMB is a controlled currency. Transactions like she described don't happen.

IF YOU GO TO WESTERN UNION OUTSIDE OF A BANK OF CHINA
THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT RMB FOR TRANSFERS TO THE US

Read my previous post on this issue.
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