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YAMARI · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 247 Location: shanghai

i have been told that after jan 1st 2005 we can longer come in on tourist visas and change them to work visas in china. med checks and visa work must be done in your home country.

Dan__ · Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 87 Location: Hangzhou

Norman Bethune · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 731

qlddan · Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Location: China

I also heard this from the PSB in Chengdu. However, after all the complaints that will follow this I'm sure they will change it again soon.

qlddan · Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Location: China

I was also told that it will cost less and be a multiple entry visa.

journeyeast · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: New Visa Rules

There's some well rumoured attempts to change the rules in Guandong area, but I doubt there will be any substancial changes nationally.

dearbarbie · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 317 Location: Tianjin, China

strange.

rolls-royce in the uk are organising my visa, and the uni in china is gonna help me apply for a work visa once i arrive. it cost me �45 + �15 in tax, and we're getting double-entry visas instead of multi-entry ones. not sure why that is tho.

Volodiya · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:02 am Post subject:

Has anybody got a site to a change to the laws or the rules relating to the process of getting permission to work in the country? I haven't seen it, nor can I find it at the sites I'm familiar with, which suggests that the requirements and procedures are still the same as they were, and have been, for some time (well described, discussed and analysed on this forum).

I see that Beijing has introduced (or so it seems) a process to replace the residence permit with a sticker in the passport. Anything else changed that anybody knows about and has a website they can direct us to for details?

no_exit · Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 565 Location: Kunming

There really are new rules, and they are being enforced (in Kunming at least). I have heard from two schools here (one private language school and one public university, both completely legit outfits) that they can no longer change any kind of visa to a Z visa while you are still in country. I am considering signing a contract with a university here and they say I'll have to get my medical exam done here, get preliminary approval for hiring from the PSB, sign the contract and then take all of these documents out of the country (HK or BKK I guess), and apply for the Z visa there.

I imagine that if they are enforcing laws like this in a place like Kunming (where we generally tend to slide under the "official rules" radar more often than in some other places), then it will probably become standard procedure (?). Really a huge pain in ass, but it seems like the only option for legal work in these parts.

TESOLman · Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Vancouver, BC

The latest information the teachers at Bond Language Institute in Zhongshan is that now you need a degree to get a working visa (new gov't regulations). This will definitely make recruiting extremely difficult and our value even higher. Perhaps the shady operators (Bond, etc.) will have to close their doors.

Talkdoc · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 696

yaco · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 473

It has always been the case that you need a degree to work in China - officially !!!!!!!

Usually schools have 'guanxi' and scoot around the rules.

China will be the poorer if these rules are enforced strictly as their wages and conditions do not compare with other countries.

This will be very hard to police as it is the school who is responsible for hiring staff ie; verifying educational qualifications, references etc.

This may result in 3 scenarios

- schools that have ' guanxi ' will continue on their merry way.
- enterprising employers will start a business producing fake educational qualifications.
- teachers will work on F Visa's.

I have been informed about a crackdown on the above in the GUANGZHOU area, but I believe this also involves teacher's working with F and L visa's instead of Z Visa's.

Talkdoc · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 696

yaco · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 473

Talkdoc

Your scenario will lead to one of two things

- Class sizes will increase
- Less students learning English.

Learning English is still very important in English, although we can argue about its academic merits under the current system.

Education in China is a business whether we like it or not. The business people who operate educational institutes, will find a way to subvert the rules.

China is not a country who rewards teachers by performance as it is often difficult to achieve pay increases at contract renegotiation time or in some cases reduces wages.

The bigger language schools such as EF are too well established to have rules and regulations interfere with their profit margins.

It will be very difficult for the ' Bureaucracy ' to explain to parents why Xiao or Ping can no longer learn English.

And what will parents do with their children on weekends if there are no longer English classes.

Volodiya · Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:38 am Post subject:

no_exit,

Does your situation involve an extension of a "Z" visa, or a new application? Did they say whether it made any difference?

I still haven't found any official, written Chinese law or administrative rule change which would account for their imposing this requirement on you (that is, to leave the country and apply for the Z visa abroad), though I was told essentially the same thing by a third party who had spoken with the PSB in Kunming.