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Zzonkmiles
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| canuck wrote: |
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| I don't mean to sound snide or anything, but this is Osaka we're talking about. There is no green space. |
This is simply not true. There are many parks in Osaka, and from downtown, they are between 15 and 30 minutes on the subway. There are also many small parks. Sure, nice green grass is sometimes hard to find, but it's more than just a concrete jungle. |
Okay then. Fair enough. Well, rather than simply criticize, why don't you tell us where some of these "many parks" are then? It would be quite helpful for me, the original poster, and anyone else who is interested in this information--certainly more helpful than simply saying "you're wrong, it's different." Where are these parks? 15-30 minutes away on which subway? Osaka has about 8 of them, so I don't know which subway you're talking about. And are these parks in actual neighborhoods or in business districts? I know there's a small park in the Hommachi/Higobashi area, for example, but since that's only a business district, it won't be of much use to the OP to know about it. |
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MindlessFudge
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| About Juso: Juso is pretty much a hole. I would avoid it. It is a step up from Shin Imamiya though. Recommending Juso because it's convenient is like recommending East Hastings because it's close to downtown. (sorry, Vancouver reference) |
Don't agree at all. I've spent considerable time in Juso and never had a problem or thought it to be a hole. But that's just in my experience. I've encountered more problems in Sannomiya in Kobe, which on the surface seems a nicer, trendier place.
Nishinomiya is a good area, as Osakajojo pointed out. I don't think it's going to be your cheapest option, though. I may be wrong.
Another option is to get a place on the Kita-Senri Hankyu line. This line splits off from Hankyu's Kyoto line. The closer to Kita-Senri you go, the more spread out everything gets, especially during the last three stops (Minami-Senri, Yamada and Kita-Senri). If you're looking for something a little more green and spread out, this area is an option. You're about 20-30 minutes from Umeda, depending on where on the line you are. The junctions to get to Kobe and Kyoto are also not far.
Best of luck in your housing hunt |
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Birdog3344
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Location: Osaka, Japan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| How far is Nishinomiya from Osaka? |
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Speed
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Nishinomiya is halfway between Kobe and Umeda on the Hankyu Kobe Line.
It takes about 15minutes to get to both places by express train (20 minutes to Umeda by local). Nice area but not too much in the way of nature though, except for the Mukogawa Riverside park.
About Juso being a slightly better than the Shin Imamiya area (southwest of Tennonji in Nishinari-ku), I must protest.
The Shin Imamiya area has literally thousands of homeless living and sleeping on the streets/sidewalks. An area of complete destitution. To the OP, you should avoid living here.
Juso is NOTHING LIKE the Shin Imamiya area. In Juso, I never felt like I was gonna get bum rushed by a pack of homeless/jobless half-naked men.
In fact, Juso is just as safe as almost anywhere that I've been in Osaka. (Relative to anywhere outside of Japan, Osaka is as safe as marsmallow candy).
The only big park I can recommend in Osaka city itself is Osaka Castle park. It's pretty large with lots of trees and it's free.
Yodogawa River park, where Juso is located, is a long wide stretch of grassy area along the big river. Not pretty but pretty big.
If you want to live in an area close to nature, Osaka city itself aint where you wanna be.
If it's nature you're looking for, I'd try living in the Arashiyama area in the western part of Kyoto (50 minutes to Umeda by express + one transfer).
Has beautiful temples/shrines and the famous Tougetsu Bridge spans the Hozu and Katsura Rivers (which you can row boat on and see cormorant fishing in the warmer months). It's also at the foot of some pretty mountains.
Actually the outskirts of both Kyoto and Nara will have you seeing green but you'll also see the inside of a train a lot too.
PS. Steven Segal used to live in Juso for a few years about 10 - 15 years ago. (irrelevant but who cares)
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canuck
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Zzonkmiles wrote: |
| why don't you tell us where some of these "many parks" are then? |
Ryokuchi-Koen Park: Midosuji Line...well one stop past Esaka (technically the Kita-Osaka Kyuko Line
Tsurumi-Ryokuchi Park: Tsurumi-ryokuchi Line...Tsurumi-ryokuchi station.
Osaka Jo Park: Osaka Loop or Chuo Line...Morinomiya
Nagai Park: Midosuji Line...Nagai (doesn't hold a stick to the other parks above)
All the above are available by subway, and don't take that long to get to. If you haven't been to these parks, you should check them out. I'm sure you would agree that they are very, very nice.
From Umeda, Yodoyabashi, Namba, Tennoji etc, and the trains being very fast, it's also not that hard to go hiking, for a walk in green space, however, they might techically be out of Osaka. |
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Birdog3344
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks everyone for your input and advice. I think I've got enough info, probably more than i can use, to make a decision. Whatever area we end up, I definitely want to be near a train station so I'll probably list somewhere near the Osaka Loop Line as a priority. Thanks again for your help. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| Birdog3344 wrote: |
| Thanks everyone for your input and advice. I think I've got enough info, probably more than i can use, to make a decision. Whatever area we end up, I definitely want to be near a train station so I'll probably list somewhere near the Osaka Loop Line as a priority. Thanks again for your help. |
Just for reference,
virtually anywhere you go in Osaka you will be within striking distance of a subway or a train line as Osaka has an extensive subway and train network, with 6 or 7 lines, the JR lines which include the Kanjosen Loop Line which circles central Osaka and 3 or 4 private railway companies that go all the way to Nara, Kyoto, wakayama and thr airport and west to Kobe and beyond.
Rents are usually a little more expensive the closer you live to a station but a lot will depend on the area and the size of your apartment as well.
Inside the loop line is a little more expensive as its so central but you can easily ride home or catch a taxi if you go out at night.
here is a map of the Osaka subway for your reference
http://www.kotsu.city.osaka.jp/english/subway/ |
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Birdog3344
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, Paul. Not much i can do with that now but a good site for future reference. |
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Dominique
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Everyone,
I've been reading this post and found all this information valuable.
I am trying to make a decision to live in Juso or Daikokucho. |
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chi-chi-
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Tennoji is cute.
Shininimaya has cheap housing esp cause a lot of foreigners are scared of it.
If you want "snob appeal" then go to Kobe or Kyoto or Umeda. |
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Mishark
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Dominique wrote: |
Hey Everyone,
I've been reading this post and found all this information valuable.
I am trying to make a decision to live in Juso or Daikokucho. |
I'm in the same boat as Dominique. Does anyone have any comments regarding the Daikokucho area or could anyone provide some sort of comparison between the 2 areas? Any info would be great. |
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Zzonkmiles
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| I would take Daikokucho over Juso simply because Daikokucho is more centrally located. Daikokucho is one station away from Namba on the Yotsubashi and Midosuji subway lines, both of which go to Umeda. So you could hang out in Namba or Shinsaibashi and ride your bike home in about 10-15 minutes, I'd imagine. Juso is up in the northern part of the city and is reasonably close to Umeda. But you'd have to take the Hankyu train line to get there and transfer in Umeda to the subway or JR Loop Line if you want to get elsewhere in the city. So that might cost you some green. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Zzonkmiles wrote: |
| I would take Daikokucho over Juso simply because Daikokucho is more centrally located. Daikokucho is one station away from Namba on the Yotsubashi and Midosuji subway lines, both of which go to Umeda. So you could hang out in Namba or Shinsaibashi and ride your bike home in about 10-15 minutes, I'd imagine. Juso is up in the northern part of the city and is reasonably close to Umeda. But you'd have to take the Hankyu train line to get there and transfer in Umeda to the subway or JR Loop Line if you want to get elsewhere in the city. So that might cost you some green. |
Does anyone know? You can take the train to Juso but I was wondering if you can ride bicycles over the Yodogawa e.g. if you miss the last train, or is it taxis and trains to get home?
FYI Low denomination (1000 yen) bills are blue. Zzonk was referring to greenbacks there.
PPS I have never really stopped there but Daikokucho always struck me as a bit run down and seedy. Close to everything such as Tsutenkaku Tower and the zoo. |
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Speed
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know? You can take the train to Juso but I was wondering if you can ride bicycles over the Yodogawa e.g. if you miss the last train, or is it taxis and trains to get home?
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Yuperdoodle. I've bicycled across the bridge countless times. Wide sidewalks on both sides of the bridge. (This is the one that runs parallel to the Hankyu train tracks)
There are also bridges by the Hanshin Railway Line (to the west) and bridges by the JR Line (to the east) where you can ride your bike across. |
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Dominique
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Location: Juso, Osaka
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Mishark wrote: |
| Dominique wrote: |
Hey Everyone,
I've been reading this post and found all this information valuable.
I am trying to make a decision to live in Juso or Daikokucho. |
I'm in the same boat as Dominique. Does anyone have any comments regarding the Daikokucho area or could anyone provide some sort of comparison between the 2 areas? Any info would be great. |
Hey Mishark,
I emailed my friend in Okayama, he said that if you stayed in the same apartment as he did in Daikokucho, his words "it was the pits. it's mad ghetto" So I chose Juso since it is close to the JR line.
Anyways, I'm stuck between choosing Hanazonocho to live with another female which won't be available in April.
Does anyone know much about this area? |
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