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senor boogie woogie
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Location: Beautiful Hangzhou China
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 Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: Bad job offers from the Int'l job board. |
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Hola!
Today I am browsing Dave's job listings and I saw some whoppers. As in, who in the right mind would accept these conditions? For so little peanuts? Or even paying for a crappy job.
Today's winner-United English, some language school in Mexico. They want someone CELTA/TESOL qualified, between the ages of 24 and 35, and the pay is between $5,000 (454 USD) to $8000 (727 USD) pesos per month. A minimum of 35 hours per week means top hourly pay is less than 6 USD an hour. "Assistance in finding housing", means no free roof. United English, why in the world would someone with a CELTA qualification work for you when they can make real money in Japan or the Middle East?
Runner up-Another taco stand in Guadalajara, Mexico. No mention of pay, but two qualifications is to be "sweet and Catholic". I guess the pissed-off and the Protestant need not apply.
In the "your pulling my leg right?" file- 'i-to-i' Volunteer travel. These jokers from China are actually charging $895 USD to teach classes in Suzhou or Shanghai. Granted, you are getting a TEFL out of the deal, but you have to be between the ages of 30 to 40 to be in this program (I guess people over 40 have dry rot of the brain or something)
A place worse than Iraq-The Memphis City School System. I am from Memphis. I found it amusing that they are advertising on Dave's of all places, and even though one will make probably over $30,000 USD a year, Memphis is probably one of the most violent cities in America. They should add: Only very large muscular, ex-Marine, ex-special forces black men with knowledge of weapons and drugs need apply. Must supply own Kevlar.
Any EF/Indonesia positions-First, they do not tell you how much you will be paid. Second, Indonesia is a hot, sweltering, crowded poor country, a hotbed for Muslim extremeism. Then EF wants a CELTA certificate for the job. Any nation as chaotic as Indonesia should kiss the ass of anyone who is willing to go down there to teach. Please don't mention Bali, Bali is not all paradise, positions are hard to come by and some Islamic idiots blew it up killing 200 people, mostly westerners. Actually Memphis is safer.
Anybody want to add a "bad position" on the Job Board?
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Bad job offers from the Int'l job board. |
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| senor boogie woogie wrote: |
| Today's winner-United English, some language school in Mexico. They want someone CELTA/TESOL qualified, between the ages of 24 and 35, and the pay is between $5,000 (454 USD) to $8000 (727 USD) pesos per month. A minimum of 35 hours per week means top hourly pay is less than 6 USD an hour. "Assistance in finding housing", means no free roof. United English, why in the world would someone with a CELTA qualification work for you when they can make real money in Japan or the Middle East? |
Actually, for teaching EFL in Mexico, that doesn't sound like such a bad deal to me.
I teach in Mexico (not for United English) and earn only slightly more than $6 USD per hour. I don't have a CELTA. I'm beyond the required age range stated in the ad. I don't get free housing. I realize many people find it hard to understand. For some of us, there are things that are more important than earning lots of money.
P.S. By the way I have an MA in TESOL and nearly 30 years of teaching experience along with a job and lifestyle that I enjoy very much. |
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dyak
Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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Teacher of English, Kozloduy Nuclear Power Station
BULGARIA: Kozloduy - free furnished accommodation provided on site
The British Council
High profile contract for one Teacher of English to work for the British Council delivering English language courses in Kozloduy Nuclear Power station, Bulgaria. The contract is one year duration and includes free accommodation.
I'm thinking about this one i saw on tefl.com...  |
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ls650
Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 3484
Location: British Columbia
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Bad job offers from the Int'l job board. |
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| senor boogie woogie wrote: |
Today's winner-United English, some language school in Mexico. the pay is between $5,000 (454 USD) to $8000 (727 USD) pesos per month. A minimum of 35 hours per week means top hourly pay is less than 6 USD an hour. "Assistance in finding housing", means no free roof. United English, why in the world would someone with a CELTA qualification work for you when they can make real money in Japan or the Middle East?
Any EF/Indonesia positions-Indonesia is a hot, sweltering, crowded poor country, a hotbed for Muslim extremeism. |
Obviously the people who take these positions are looking for something other than making "real money"...
1) 8000 pesos per month is actually not too bad for Mexico. In some areas you can rent an apartment and buy a month's worth of groceries for about a quarter of that, leaving you enough money to do some travel and enjoy your free time. Again, you won't get rich with that position - but some folks work overseas for reasons other than making money.
2) I spent a year working at an EF in Indonesia. Your comments about being a "hotbed for Muslim extremeism (sic)" are a gross misstatement. In my year there I never had any problems with 'extremists'; I was treated very well by all the Muslims I met there (about 85% of my students and the overall population). |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| 1) 8000 pesos per month is actually not too bad for Mexico. In some areas you can rent an apartment and buy a month's worth of groceries for about a quarter of that, leaving you enough money to do some travel and enjoy your free time. Again, you won't get rich with that position, but some folks work overseas for reasons other than making money. |
Yep. United English has language institutes in a few cities in the central states. I've heard back from a handful of teachers who have worked for them. The consensus is positive...not great, but positive, particularly on teacher support in admin.
8000 pesos is good for the cities they are in...nice colonial cities, with lots of culture, history, and great food. |
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jello1
Joined: 11 Feb 2005
Posts: 40
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: Funny Message... |
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As an irritable Methodist, I am outraged...Good stuff Senor...
Ben Round- Poverty is not necessarily a virtue.... |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Funny Message... |
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| jello1 wrote: |
| Ben Round- Poverty is not necessarily a virtue.... |
What did I write to indicate that I thought it was? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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If I had ever earned even close to 8,000 pesos/month when I was working in Mexico, I would never have left.
No, you'll never get rich but I am darn sure you would enjoy your life.
There have been some comments about UE on the Job info journal, if you are interested in working for them, it's worth taking a look.
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willy
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Posts: 215
Location: Samarinda,Kalimantan,Indonesia(left TW)
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| a hotbed for Muslim extremeism |
3 years here and never meet one its been a good time!!!
and yes EF pays the worst here and hires mostly first timers 4.5-6mil (500-675US)
i know some pepole are happy with that, and some that quit after getting hit be the DOS
lets face it very few pepole are here to get rich
just want to have a good life thats all!!! |
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jello1
Joined: 11 Feb 2005
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Ben Round- I inferred from your message some pride in your lack of concern for making money.
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WHile certainly an acceptable opinion, I don't think you should be patting yourself on the back.
If I misinterpreted your inference, my fault... |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| jello1 wrote: |
Ben Round- I inferred from your message some pride in your lack of concern for making money.
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WHile certainly an acceptable opinion, I don't think you should be patting yourself on the back.
If I misinterpreted your inference, my fault... |
In my previous post I stated For some of us, there are things that are more important than earning lots of money. Perhaps I should have underlined lots of to emphasize the meaning I intended. I most certainly do not lack concern for making a fair wage for my work efforts. If I had wanted to make lots of money, however, I wouldn't have chosen teaching as a career, especially not in Mexico. Sorry for any confusion the wording in my previous post may have caused. |
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Posts: 775
Location: Montreal
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| dyak wrote: |
Teacher of English, Kozloduy Nuclear Power Station
BULGARIA: Kozloduy - free furnished accommodation provided on site
The British Council
High profile contract for one Teacher of English to work for the British Council delivering English language courses in Kozloduy Nuclear Power station, Bulgaria. The contract is one year duration and includes free accommodation.
I'm thinking about this one i saw on tefl.com... |
Upon completion of contract the teacher gets three bananas, a bus ticket to the airport and thyroid cancer as a souvenir. |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Posts: 1022
Location: Northern Italy
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| I think you're wrong about the bananas as the pay seemed reasonable. As Kozluduy has a dubious reputation for safety, to say the least, your comment about cancer was probably rather too near the mark.. |
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TESOLman
Joined: 25 Apr 2004
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject: Bad jobs |
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From my expereince recently, stay away from Bond Language Institute in Zhongshan, Guangdong, China. It's managed by idiots, doesn't have any modern teaching aids, it's textbooks are selected by non-teaching staff, just to name a few. Also, your contract doesn't mean a thing to the owners.
I'll give you more details if you write to me at [email protected]. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| It's managed by idiots, doesn't have any modern teaching aids, it's textbooks are selected by non-teaching staff, just to name a few. Also, your contract doesn't mean a thing to the owners. |
Sounds like they've copied the Ontario Public Education system to a capital T  |
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