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JimDunlop2
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 Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: Re: more on "Japanese speakers" and racist attitud |
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Krell: Not to nitpick, but it seems to me that you are the one that seemed to equate "linguist with "polyglot."
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| As an experienced linguist who has learned 5 languages the hard way....... |
Maybe from a PhD-in-linguistics-viewpoint, the two may not be equated, but for most of the rest of us, that's exactly what you said.
Anyway, I wasn't going to respond to the response that I got earlier, but now that I'm writing....
Krell, it's just fine by me whether you stand by what you said originally, I just take exception to your sweeping generalizations and presumption that anyone who disagrees with you is prepubescent
(Bold=mine)
Eg.
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| if anyone complains that clerks don't understand... |
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| Learning a language properly is FAR more difficult than most people realize..grow up! |
... And I can't help but wonder why this wasn't just appended to the existing thread on this topic...
Since then, it seems you've toned down your posts so maybe you were indeed having a bad day. If I misjudged you, I apologize. |
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JimDunlop2
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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taikibansei: Oooooo... You realize, of course, that the only appropriate response in such a scenario is, (in Japanese): "That's Ok. No offence taken. Your Japanese is pretty good though. It must have taken you years to get this far. Your accent sounds very natural. What part of Korea are you from?"
I hope at least you made that waitress realize her "oops."  |
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi Krell,
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First of all I am not a troll but a someone with a PhD in theoretical
linguistics. |
Really? I thought you were a 45-year old guy with a BA in Korea:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=73787&highlight=#73787
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I'm 45 but look 32, tired of teaching in Korea for 7 years..
I am thinking of coming to Japan to teach
because of a) a less stress-free lifestyle
b) a chance to meet a girl for marriage(nationality not important
but Oriental prefered)
I only have a BA and expereince..
Are these goals misguided ..and what city would give me best chances?
I love Fukoaka but here the market is saturated there.. |
Note the similar patterns of error in both this post and his most recent ones...it's the same guy.
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| "Linguist" does NOT mean "polyglot", though that misuse is common. |
Right--indeed, it's a mistake you made from your first post:
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| As an experienced linguist who has learned 5 languages the hard way.... |
I'm just calling you on it.
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| I work at a major university as a linguist . |
Small world--so do I.
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The reason is that that is the most frequent mistake made by speakers of stress languages like English and Russian when learning non-stress languages like Japanese, Korean or French . It is probably what
happened to you in the TV studio too since it is easy for English speakers to unconsciously stress words without knowing that they are doing it. |
 Bizarrely for someone so 'fluent,' you butcher my Japanese handle: it's 'taikibansei'....
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| It happens to me even these days but quite rarely now. I've been in similar situations. |
Yeah, I'm sure you struggle now and again speaking 'fluent Japanese' back in Korea....
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| Sorry if my post seems harsh, but I call 'em as I see 'em |
Not harsh at all--I'm having a great time. |
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krell
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Er no ..sorry if that was misleading
A linguist who can speak five languages = A linguits and a polyglot.
The two terms do not imply each other contrary to popular perception.
A polyglot can have no knowledge
of linguistics and a linguits can be unilingual, though usually they can speak at least one other language to some degree. |
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| JimDunlop2 wrote: |
I hope at least you made that waitress realize her "oops." |
Oh yeah, I let the waitress know about it. Though to this day, whenever my wife talks about "those complaining foreigners," I tease her about a certain dinner four or so years ago.... |
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krell
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| taikibansei wrote: |
Hi Krell,
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First of all I am not a troll but a someone with a PhD in theoretical
linguistics. |
Really? I thought you were a 45-year old guy with a BA in Korea:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=73787&highlight=#73787
| krell wrote: |
I'm 45 but look 32, tired of teaching in Korea for 7 years..
I am thinking of coming to Japan to teach
because of a) a less stress-free lifestyle
b) a chance to meet a girl for marriage(nationality not important
but Oriental prefered)
I only have a BA and expereince..
Are these goals misguided ..and what city would give me best chances?
I love Fukoaka but here the market is saturated there.. |
Krell replies:
That was written a while ago and in that time I completed my PhD.
| taikibansei wrote: |
Note the similar patterns of error in both this post and his most recent ones...it's the same guy.
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| "Linguist" does NOT mean "polyglot", though that misuse is common. |
Right--indeed, it's a mistake you made from your first post:
| krell wrote: |
| As an experienced linguist who has learned 5 languages the hard way.... |
I'm just calling you on it.
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You need a course in logic or perhaps just
reading comprehension - I made no such mistake.
Read CAREFULLY : a linguist may or may not speak other languages
so my above statement is not a definition of linguist nor is
it in any way redundant or tautological.
My last post explains it for you. You can check Webster too.
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| krell wrote: |
| I work at a major university as a linguist . |
Small world--so do I.
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The reason is that that is the most frequent mistake made by speakers of stress languages like English and Russian when learning non-stress languages like Japanese, Korean or French . It is probably what
happened to you in the TV studio too since it is easy for English speakers to unconsciously stress words without knowing that they are doing it. |
Bizarrely for someone so 'fluent,' you butcher my Japanese handle: it's 'taikibansei'....
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Oh we are down to taking apart someones fast typing early in the morning
eh? OK guilty of typos!I'm sure you never make em
But I see your smileys 
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| krell wrote: |
| It happens to me even these days but quite rarely now. I've been in similar situations. |
Yeah, I'm sure you struggle now and again speaking 'fluent Japanese' back in Korea....
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Yes you are right, there are no Japanese in Korea to speak
Japanese too. The hundreds studying English and Korean
at various Korean universities do not exist.
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| Sorry if my post seems harsh, but I call 'em as I see 'em |
Not harsh at all--I'm having a great time. |
Hey me too or I woudn't be here! (nudge nudge)
I'll be here all night - try the veal! |
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003
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Location: Kagoshima
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, they've really been coming out of the woodwork recently, haven't they?
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http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=73787&highlight=#73787
krell wrote:
I'm 45 but look 32, tired of teaching in Korea for 7 years..
I am thinking of coming to Japan to teach
because of a) a less stress-free lifestyle
b) a chance to meet a girl for marriage(nationality not important
but Oriental prefered)
I only have a BA and expereince..
Are these goals misguided ..and what city would give me best chances?
I love Fukoaka but here the market is saturated there..
Krell replies:
That was written a while ago and in that time I completed my PhD. |
You posted about your BA status exactly one year ago and yet claim to have finished both a (presumed Master's) and a PhD. in that time. Perhaps you should have chosen April 1st and not March 1st for your original post; at least that way you could have had some symmetry. A PhD? I'd love to reed (read) your thesis and here (hear) what others have to say about it.  |
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krell
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| homersimpson wrote: |
Wow, they've really been coming out of the woodwork recently, haven't they?
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http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=73787&highlight=#73787
krell wrote:
I'm 45 but look 32, tired of teaching in Korea for 7 years..
I am thinking of coming to Japan to teach
because of a) a less stress-free lifestyle
b) a chance to meet a girl for marriage(nationality not important
but Oriental prefered)
I only have a BA and expereince..
Are these goals misguided ..and what city would give me best chances?
I love Fukoaka but here the market is saturated there..
Krell replies:
That was written a while ago and in that time I completed my PhD. |
You posted about your BA status exactly one year ago and yet claim to have finished both a (presumed Master's) and a PhD. in that time. Perhaps you should have chosen April 1st and not March 1st for your original post; at least that way you could have had some symmetry. A PhD? I'd love to reed (read) your thesis and here (hear) what others have to say about it. |
Not quite right.... I started the PhD 5 years ago. One year ago I only had a BA |
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krell
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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I should add that it was a PhD by correspondence.
I should also add that attacking the person and not the argument is
known as "ad hominem" and is the last defense of those who
cannot offer a coherant response to an argument. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| krell wrote: |
I should add that it was a PhD by correspondence.
I should also add that attacking the person and not the argument is
known as "ad hominem" and is the last defense of those who
cannot offer a coherant response to an argument. |
I'm curious to know how you did your PhD without a masters or were they done concurrently? |
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homersimpson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Not quite right.... I started the PhD 5 years ago. One year ago I only had a BA
I should add that it was a PhD by correspondence.
I should also add that attacking the person and not the argument is
known as "ad hominem" and is the last defense of those who
cannot offer a coherant response to an argument |
How did you progress from a BA to a PhD w/o earning a Master's? Who attacked you? I see you took an Intro to Philosophy course during your undergrad studies (that's where you learned ad hominem). You are correct, I cannot offer a coherant (sic) response to your argument, but can offer a coherent retort: if you have a Master's, state it, and your correspondence (?) PhD.? Never heard of such a thing. You are Dr. or what? |
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homersimpson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Not quite right.... I started the PhD 5 years ago. One year ago I only had a BA
I should add that it was a PhD by correspondence.
I should also add that attacking the person and not the argument is
known as "ad hominem" and is the last defense of those who
cannot offer a coherant response to an argument |
How did you progress from a BA to a PhD w/o earning a Master's? Who attacked you? I see you took an Intro to Philosophy course during your undergrad studies (that's where you learned ad hominem). You are correct, I cannot offer a coherant (sic) response to your argument, but can offer a coherent retort: if you have a Master's, state it, and your correspondence (?) PhD.? Never heard of such a thing. You are Dr. of what? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer, there are distance PhDs, but pretty uncommon. |
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homersimpson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Gordon,
You can earn these w/o a Master's? What's their worth? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| homersimpson wrote: |
Gordon,
You can earn these w/o a Master's? What's their worth? |
I don't think so or I wouldn't be slogging it on my Masters now. |
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