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darkchild
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 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:30 am Post subject: what are my chances in getting a job in China? |
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i'm in my last year of University but i would like to take a break due to some personal issues. i've taught english before in china as a substitute for 4 months in an education center back in 2002. i've already got a TESOL degree and all i lack is the bachlor degree, what are my chances in getting a job there?
i'm asking cause i'll be going back next month and i would like to have at least a job offer when i leave.
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: DO it the easy way |
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I would say with a TEFL if will be easier. Most places I checked with before I came to China wanted a degree. If you are that concerned BUY a degree online. Instant BA or BS in your chosen field. $29.99 plus shipping and handling. No worries. If you want to make MORE $$$rmb then buy an MBA or PHD. You get to the next level with a higher degree.
Just make sure to bring it with you when you come over. |
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cujobytes
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Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: > |
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| Instant BA or BS in your chosen field. $29.99 plus shipping and handling. |
Is this true???  |
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cujobytes
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dearbarbie
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wow i wish my degree had been that easy :s
have you tried contacting the place where you taught before? everywhere i looked wanted a degree im afraid |
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Talkdoc
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| JeffinFlorida wrote: |
If you are that concerned BUY a degree online. Instant BA or BS in your chosen field. $29.99 plus shipping and handling. No worries. If you want to make MORE $$$rmb then buy an MBA or PHD. You get to the next level with a higher degree.
Just make sure to bring it with you when you come over. |
I can't help but wonder about the mental status of a forum member who, in one post, encourages prospective teachers to apply to Guanzhou Normal University alongside him for jobs (as the university is being run very well now) and then, a few days later, encourages prospective teachers to purchase fake degrees in order to do it.
I guess no one from Guanzhou Normal University reads Dave's ESL Cafe or maybe Jeff (or is it "Dr." Jeff) is convinced that they simply don't care.
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ContemporaryDog
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: Re: what are my chances in getting a job in China? |
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| darkchild wrote: |
i'm in my last year of University but i would like to take a break due to some personal issues. i've taught english before in china as a substitute for 4 months in an education center back in 2002. i've already got a TESOL degree and all i lack is the bachlor degree, what are my chances in getting a job there?
i'm asking cause i'll be going back next month and i would like to have at least a job offer when i leave.
any advice will be appreciated! |
You should be able to get something. When I was teaching at a summer school last summer there were 2 people there from the UK who had no Degree or TEFL. They were about to do their last year at Uni and were there just for the summer. |
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Talkdoc
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: Re: > |
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Yeah, but Cujo, for $549.00 you get everything: a PhD in any chosen field (including medicine), official transcripts, a certificate of excellence and an official education verification letter! For an additional $75.00 you can select your graduation date and (this is the very best part) for an additional $75.00 you can graduate Summa Cum Laude (with a 3.9 - 4.0 GPA).
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited.
The only thing is, what are the chances that someone from one's place of employment may decide to do a search on Belmont University? Oh, wait, I just read...when you purchase one of their degrees you also receive the name of one of their "law school graduates" in the rare event you should run into any difficulties in the future. That's a relief.
Doc
PS. Darkchild - you need a degree to teach in China legally. That said, there are ways of doing it illegally and many do (obviously). |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: I earned my degree |
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I earned my 2 degrees the old fashioned way - went to college, went to univeristy.
But the truth is the guy said he "almost" had his degree, so wtf, buy one.
Belmont Univeristy sounds like it's got good odds...
I got paid a certain amout for having a BS in Business, if I had an MBA in business I would make 1000 rmb a month more. So, it makes sense to turn in all my "life experience" credits to Belmont U and maybe I'll hit the trifector...
Who coundn't use the extra 1000 rmb considering how they nickle and dime you to death. |
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Talkdoc
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: Re: I earned my degree |
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| jeffinflorida wrote: |
| So, it makes sense to turn in all my "life experience" credits to Belmont U and maybe I'll hit the trifector... |
I am going to assume you were being serious for the sake of discussion.
I am not opposed to legitimate universities offering up to 30 credits for related life experience towards a bachelor's degree (as some do). No university anywhere in the Western world awards credit for life experience for any degree higher than a bachelor's. In addition, if you peruse their website, you will see that you can purchase three degrees (BA, MA & PhD) at the same time for $1034.00 on the basis of "life experience." Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that any legitimate university is going to award doctoral degrees in psychology and medicine, for example, on the basis of work experience as a bachelor's level tech in a psychiatric hospital? Do you honestly believe that anyone is actually turned down?
If you are purchasing a meaningless degree in order to extract a higher salary out of a school (or to get the job in the first place), they may not be thrilled to learn that the degree was "awarded" by a degree printing press. They may feel cheated (defrauded) and they may decide to prosecute or, at the very least, have you detained, fined, deported and banned from this country for the rest of your life. Ethical issues aside, is the risk of that trauma (no matter how small you might think it is) worth an additional 1000 RMB per month?
Belmont "University" is not accredited by any official body recognized by any country�s government council on education. They claim to be accredited by two "official bodies:" The International Accreditation Agency for Online Universities (IAAOU) and the Universal Council for Online Education Accreditation (UCOEA). It turns out that both "accrediting" bodies are simply sister organizations started by Belmont in order to accredit itself! The first "accrediting body" only lists itself (Belmont) as an accredited institution and the second one has listed some other degree printing presses (degree mills) as "catalog members:" whatever that means. In addition, the "university" fails to publish a mailing address or a telephone number anywhere on its website (nor is there any page devoted to a directory of administrative staff and faculty members). I guess the "professors," "board of directors," "president" and "provost" simply meet online from their own homes to discuss their degree candidates� credentials.
For more information about online university programs and accreditation, please see the Council for Higher Education at http://www.chea.org and Top Ten Signs of Diploma Mills and Degree Mills at http://www.geteducated.com/articles/degreemills.htm.
Cheating in China is rampant as we all know � but, please, let�s not go online as teachers promoting and justifying it every single chance we get. If you are working in this country illegally and you can live with that and whatever risk that may entail for you in the future, so be it: but why do those of you who do, feel the need to broadcast that conduct here regularly and as forcefully as you do? Does that somehow magically transform what you are doing into something more legitimate?
By all accounts, enforcement of China's laws and regulations regarding Foreign Expert status has already begun to change. The law currently requires that you have a minimum of a bachelor's degree and two years of field-related experience in order to qualify for a Z-Visa. EFL certifications are not required, nor can they be used as degree substitutions (although, they often increase your chances of being hired: all things equal). It is illegal to teach in China with anything other than a Z-Visa (on the basis of having legitimately satisfied the minimum requirements) and that is the only information that any of us should be disseminating on this website.
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: hahaha |
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Doc, You take this way too seriously.
But then again, Frasier didn't have much of a sense of humor either. |
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Jolly
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Thank you, TalkDoc, at least someone on this thread is making sense.
For the life of me, I see no humor at all in talking about buying fake degrees. 
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darkchild
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i don't know what to say!
first of all, i didn't realized that a degree was so essential for teaching english there, mainly because i don't see what a computers degree will do much for my english skills (yeah, i'm a computer major) that said, i will definitely not buy a degree, i'm the straight arrow type, sorry. just didn't realize that if i was to teach english, it would be illegal, shall i be worried? |
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Chinarecruiter
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: Database of Fake Degrees |
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For those of you who are thinking of purchasing one of these fake degrees, please be aware that some schools and companies in China are aware of these. If you apply under the false pretenses of having a legitimate degree and use one of these, you may get caught. You might also turn away some prospective employers because they see from the get go that you are trying to deceive. In my opinion it is much better to be open and honest in any application you make. If you don't have a degree it is still possible to get employment in China. However the trend is definitely moving toward requiring all teachers to have a legitimate degree. There are some locales which due to lack of teachers are willing to take people with TESOL only or an associates degree. I think you will find though as time moves on this will be less and less likely. Things are tightening up in China and it is only a matter of time before all areas will be on common ground requiring a legitimate degree.
The database I use is from the Oregon Department of Education. This is an up to date and comprehensive list of Fake Degrees which are considered illegal in the State of Oregon and many other jurisdictions. Go check it out. Belford U is of course on this list...
http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html |
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jeffinflorida
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| So a degree from the Jeffrey Dahlmer School of Fine Cuisine won't carry much weight, huh? |
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