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Para todos los que piensan que AMLO es un heroe
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:09 pm    Post subject: Para todos los que piensan que AMLO es un heroe Reply with quote

Para todos los que piesan que AMLO es un heroe, lean esto,

�QUIEN ES REALMENTE LOPEZ OBRADOR? > > > >
>
> En 1988 empez� a circular un escrito del cual tengo copia,
> titulado:
> "Un asesino en Los Pinos" donde se hablaba de la forma en que
> Ra�l
> Salinas de Gortari de 9 a�os, Carlitos su hermano de 2 y un
> amiguito
> tambi�n de 9, asesinaron con un rifle calibre 22 a la sirvienta
> de la
> familia Salinas...
>
> Los peri�dicos est�n all�, las actas oficiales tambi�n...Culpar
> del
> homicidio a un ni�o de 2 a�os para impedir su triunfo, fue obra
> del
> PRD y ha utilizado ese argumento por mucho tiempo... Me pregunto
> ahora que la situaci�n se revierte contra AMLO si dir�n que es
> complot...
>
> He aqu� los hechos: Andr�s Manuel L�pez Obrador naci� en
> Tepetitl�n,
> Tabasco en 1 de Noviembre de 1953 y estudio la primaria en la
> Escuela
> "Marcos E. Becerra" continuando en la secundaria oficial de su
> pueblo
> el primer a�o de secundaria y all� se pierde el rastro de sus
> estudios aunque dice ser Licenciado en Ciencias Pol�ticas por la
> UNAM, t�tulo que nadie ha visto y dif�cil de creer por su escaso
> y
> pobre vocabulario y desconocimiento total de las formas legales
> de
> gobierno. Si efectivamente estudio all�, nadie lo sabe y valdr�a
> la
> pena averiguarlo a fondo.
>
> El 14 de Mayo de 1962 MATO CON UN REVOLVER CALIBRE 22 A SU
> HERMANO
> JOSE RAMON. Para evitar la c�rcel la familia en pleno huye a Agua
> Dulce, Veracruz donde el rastro familiar se pierde hasta emerger
> en
> 1975 en el Instituto Nacional Indigenista de Tabasco donde
> trabaj�
> gracias a su afiliaci�n con el PRI, partido al que perteneci�
> hasta
> 1993.
>
> En 1988 pierde la nominaci�n interna para la gubernatura y la
> gana
> ROBERTO MADRAZO. Entonces publica el libro "V�ctima de un Fraude"
> Intenta de nuevo contender por la gubernatura en 1993 y vuelve a
> perder contra Salvador Neme y entonces se pasa al PRD y publica
> "Entre la historia y la esperanza". En este segundo intento
> conoce a
> Nico, su actual chofer y subsecretario. Se convierte en
> presidente de
> ese partido y entrega la estafeta a Rosario Robles para
> contender por
> el gobierno del DF a pesar de no contar con la residencia m�nima
> de 5
> a�os exigida en la constituci�n local, controversia que
> ventilada por
> Jos� Luis Luege Tamargo , Presidente del PAN capitalino, lo hace
> m�rtir y popular en el 2000 catapult�ndolo al gobierno del DF en
> el
> cual su asesor principal es MANUEL CAMACHO SOLIS, ex- regente
> salinista y siempre bajo la sospecha de estar tras la muerte de
> Colosio, amigo inseparable de Carlos Salinas de Gortari con quien
> formo "Los toficos (por el comercial de esos chiclosos que dec�a
> :
> �Uy que ricos!), grupo al que pertenec�an tambi�n Mar�a de los
> �ngeles Moreno, Jos� Francisco Ruiz Massieu y Emilio Lozoya
> Telman y
> que juraron ayudarse uno al otro para sucederse en la
> presidencia del
> pa�s.
>
> Su brazo derecho es MARCELO EBRARD quien fuese el Secretario de
> Gobierno capitalino con Camacho Sol�s, priista de toda la vida y
> al
> que apodan el Chucky, no s�lo por su parecido con el mu�eco
> diab�lico
> sino porque dicen que tiene la cualidad de manejar a su amo.
> Depuesto
> por el Presidente Fox en el caso de los linchados en Tlahuac
> ahora
> resucita en la Secretar�a de Desarrollo Social y seguramente
> ser� el
> sucesor de AMLO si no sucede un milagro.
>
> Estos personajes son los responsables directos de las campa�as
> populistas de corte priista como los cupones de la leche y �tiles
> escolares las pensiones a viejitos y madres solteras...
>
> LAS CONTRADICCIONES:
>
> Andr�s Manuel dice ser modesto, republicano, honrado y sin
> embargo:
> Viaja en un Tsuru pero a su chofer le paga sueldo de
> Sub-Secretario.
> Su hijo se transporta en una Grand Cherokee blindada.
> Dice no tener guaruras pero lo cuidan 6 mujeres entrenadas
> llamadas
> "gacelas" que son en realidad polic�as aunque el las llama
> edecanes.
> Sus trajes son importados y car�simos.
> Lleva una relaci�n personal con Yedickol Polevsky Wurvitz a�n
> vicepresidenta de Canacitra y que adem�s de ser "Totalmente
> Palacio"
> esconde un oscuro secreto que la llevo a cambiar de nombre y
> apellido
> sin los tr�mites legales. Ella contiende por el PRD en el Estado
> de
> M�xico.
> Habla de honradez y EL CONTRATO PERSONALMENTE a Gustavo Ponce; es
> amigo personal de Carlos Imaz, esposo de Claudia Sheimbaum la
> Secretaria de Medio Ambiente y la figura m�s poderosa de su
> gabinete
> y Rene Bejarano era su Secretario Particular cuando se dio el
> incidente de los videos.
> Los vales de leche y de �tiles escolares s�lo se cambian en
> Gigante
> donde instal� sus m�dulos Metropolitanos y se les permite
> catafixiarlos por alcohol y cigarros. Con los vales de �tiles
> escolares provoc� la quiebra del 80% de las papeler�as de barrio
> afectadas por su medida populista y con los vales de leche de las
> panader�as de colonia que se defend�an con la venta del l�cteo.
> Bejarano, Batres y Padierna, personajes centrales en la vida de
> AMLO
> fueron los pap�s intelectuales del fraude de la Leche Betty
> contaminada con caca que causo revuelo el sexenio pasado.
> Ahora a Bejarano se le sigue juicio en Jalisco por lavado de
> dinero,
> ya tiene otro historial en Puebla por fraude en los a�os 80 y
> Padierna es una conocida invasora y tapadera de lideresas de
> ambulantes tambi�n buscada por lavado de dinero.
> Como de la obra, sobra, se ha puesto a construir cosas in�tiles
> como
> los horrorosos camellones de Reforma, las ciclo pistas que nadie
> usa,
> los pasos viales que provocan m�s nudos de tr�nsito y el nuevo
> engendro que es el metro bus y que dejar� a Insurgentes con UN
> SOLO
> CARRIL UTIL.
> Todas estas obras fara�nicas est�n en forma de fideicomiso, no se
> licitan y nadie puede averiguar c�mo o a qui�n se asignaron
> porque:
> El DF es la �nica entidad en la Rep�blica que no acat� el mandato
> federal de transparencia a la informaci�n.
> La sede de este organismo es un video centro viejo en la Ave.
> Cuauht�moc donde no hay nada y no existe portal en l�nea para
> consultar las asignaciones de estas obras o de los vales,
> despensas,
> sueldos a funcionarios etc.
> Los ancianos y madres solteras "asalariados" del DF v�a pensiones
> deben acudir a todas las marchas y manifestaciones so pena de
> perder
> las canonj�as...
> El DF es la �nica entidad que no le paga directamente de su
> presupuesto a los maestros.
> El DF es la �nica entidad que no acepta el Seguro Popular porque
> dice
> los servicios m�dicos deber ser gratuitos y sin embargo los
> PEORES
> hospitales del pa�s son los que dependen del DF donde los ba�os
> son
> inmundos, no hay medicamentos y los m�dicos y enfermeras venden
> tacos
> en el pasillo para comprar mertiolate y vendas.
> AMLO se dice v�ctima en el asunto del desafuero y ha violado OCHO
> AMPAROS FEDERALES porque aduce que el s�lo obedece la ley y la
> Constituci�n si lo considera conveniente.
>
> Estos son los hechos, los datos duros. Tienes derecho a conocer
> esta
> informaci�n y otra que se mantiene oculta. Cuando votes hazlo
> con la
> conciencia de que sabes por qui�n lo haces. Si despu�s de leer
> esto
> a�n lo apoyas no te llames m�s adelante a enga�o. Y si puedes
> probar
> que he mentido en cualquier punto a.C. expresado, tu derecho a la
> r�plica y la aclaraci�n es sagrado.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not big on Mr. Obrador myself, but I don't get a say in the matter. I think if he becomes president, he's going to run Mexico's economy into the ground.
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richtx1



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Consider the source... Reply with quote

Scurrious attacks are part and parcel of Mexican democracy and political discourse. Often the outrageous accusations ARE true, but wildly blown out of proportion. Where did this particular document come from?
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MixtecaMike



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMLO has always been a fake, as is most of the PRD. Anyone who lived in Delegacion Cuahutemoc under the tyranny of "La Lola" Padierna can vouch for the fact the PRD love the "little people" around election time but then dedicate themselves to corruption and robbery once they are in power.

Que vuelva el PRI!
Edit: But without Elba Ester!
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds familiar. Shocked
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most serious political problem in Mexican is the total vacuum of leadership.

The next most serious political problem is "egoismo" on the part of politicians--who would sell their grandmother for a couple of pesos but who are now pushing through the sale of PEMEX with the hope of lining their pockets, mattresses and wardrobes before 2006 and No Re-election hustles them out to the street.

As for L�pez Obrador--I think he's probably a cut above the others--which is reflected by his position in the polls for presidential candidates At least he has the "huevos" to speak his piece directly--but I can't trust anyone with no sense of humor....

As for his potential for running the economy in the ground, WHAT economy????? Selling chinese ch�charas in the street doesn't qualify as an economy in my book....
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find his public works projects in DF to be noble, and certainly needed, but he is spending a lot of money that the city doesn't have. Gov needs to work on regularizing much of the economy that is now on the streets selling pirate cds, and collecting legitimate taxes, by cleaning up corruption from the top to the bottom. AMLO spends and spends as a populist, looking at the presidency, but with what money? Imagine that on a national level?
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's put it this way, Guy: in 4 years of the Fox government, the PIB has had zero growth--according to the official figures. Anyone who is not blind and deaf or otherwise challenged (which apparently excludes Fox) can see that the economy has contracted significantly. But if we take the zero growth as gospel, that still means that this government has a worse economic track record than that of Zedillo--and his sexenio included the 1995 crisis!

As for "populism" (nobody seems to know what the term means, but Letras Libres drummed up a bunch of right wing writers for the March feature on the term) creating economic disaster--Hugo Ch�vez has been called a "populist" and Venzuela had just under 18% growth in its PIB last year. (Yes, that is a little misleading as in 2003, due to the 2 month petroleum lockout of workers, the economy contracted 9%--which means a "real" growth of only 9%--but which is still higher than that of most of the world's countries, and certainly beats Mexico's.) A conservative prediction of 5 to 6% growth is predicted for this year and next year.

Under Fox, Mexico has had nothing but economic grief. Frankly, I can't imagine AMLO--or Juan Nadie off the street for that matter--doing any worse.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Populist is a double-edged sword of a word. I lean towards politics that aim for responsibility to all, which the word populist seems to imply. The way it's used often is to mean winning a popularity contest, in the case of AMLO, on a run for the presidency.

Mexico's economy is intricately and obtusely linked to that of the US. So much of the economy here is not controlled by what presidents and diputados do, but by policies made up north. I'm not a Fox supporter either...I do like the new commericals they have on TV.
Quote:
algunos dicen que bajo de Fox no pasa nada. Si. No pasa nada...nada de corrupcion, nada de irregularidades
Spin worthy of Karl Rove.

Fox has basically sat and done nothing, yes. Congress has done the same, being fractured on three parties, none of which make deals to get legislation passed, for fear of appearing to endorse another party. I would like to see that presidents and congressmen/women get the chance to be re-elected, to foster more responsibility to individual constituents.

I'm not sure what it is like in the provinces. I do know that the states and governors are quite responsibile for what goes on out there as well No one person can be blamed nor fix what ails Mexico.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whew! Don't get me going on the slimeball governor of this state, Morelos. Many of his right arms are in the slammer for narcotrafficking and kidnapping and just about anything else one could think of. Yet he is like one of those Hindu statues with 6 arms--with which he keeps hanging onto the power, protected by FOX and the PAN....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRD recently won a close call in Guerrero against PRI. PAN? I dunno, maybe they wash dishes there.

PRD was lauded as having run a clean campaign under Zerefino. In fact, PRD made a great show of videotaping and exposing PRI porkbarreling across the state. Funny, when I was living there I got to know many taxi drivers. I had noticed that just about every taxi in town had a Vote Zerefino 2005 sticker prominently displayed. It was explained to me by many that if they didn't put the sticker there, they would have been 'stongly discouraged' from working as a taxi driver in Acapulco. Interesting how PRD only had to pull one or two strings in the taxi syndicato (love the Spanish word for union) to get such publicity.

If the states are so bad, would it be odd to say that Mexico City is the least corrupt?
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy, It was not a close call. Zeferino won by a very handy margin--hence the PRI couldn't go through their whole charade of challenging the election.

Mexico City less corrupt--I dunno, is there a lighter shade of black?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen Roberto Madrazo? Now this guy looks like how Darth Vader would carry himself if he ran the Gambino family.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madrazo doesn't have the nickname, "Mapache" for no reason. He is infamous for election fraud and just about every other old-time PRI caper. Areal slimeball--who will probably be the next president of Mexico....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too tough to call the 2006 presidency I think. If AMLO survives legal challenges, he's going to have raise his profile to a national level. Who's in for Pan? That tells you about their chances. There are no challengers to Madrazo? Outside chance for Creel? I saw him going door to door campaigning three weeks ago.
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