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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: MDN Newspaper article: J-Students' English improving! |
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Is the future really so bleak?
Taken from today's Mainichi Daily News online:
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20050322p2a00m0dm012001c.html
Full article:
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Japanese students' English ability improving
Japanese students have boosted their English ability over the past year, a survey released by educational firm Benesse Corp., has found.
In a test to compare the English ability of first- and second-year high school students in Japan, South Korea and China, Benesse found that Japanese students' English ability improved noticeably over a one-year period.
A total of 2,052 students from four schools in Japan, 4,188 students from six schools in South Korea, and 3,554 students from three schools in China took part in the revised Global Test of English Communication between October and December last year, the second time it has been held.
Benesse also asked students and 107 teachers about their satisfaction with education standards and study habits.
The test was separated into three categories: reading, writing and listening. When officials examined the results of second-year high school students from Japan who had taken the test in the previous year, their average score stood at 440 out of a possible 800, about 40 points up from their results in the first test.
Japan showed the biggest improvement out of the three countries. The average score of South Korean students was 27 points higher than the previous year, compared with a 24-point increase shown by China.
First year students in Japan who took the latest test scored an average 8 points more than the first year students who sat the previous test. South Korean students showed a major increase, scoring an average 40 points more.
When asked to evaluate their own language ability, Japanese students tied their ability to their scores. However, Chinese and South Korean students with scores lower than those of their Japanese counterparts answered that they had ability in English.
In a question asking students to give an evaluation of themselves when they participated in activities involving the use of English, such as making telephone calls in English and looking at English Internet pages, Chinese and South Korean students gave a high opinion of their own abilities.
However, the number of Japanese students who said they had not attempted such activities was overwhelmingly higher than in China and South Korea.
The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology has designated some schools in Japan as "Super English Language High Schools (SELHi). In the survey, a comparison of results of students from these schools was made with those from other schools. For first- and second-year students from ordinary schools, a 34-point rise was seen, compared to a 73-point increase among students from SELHi schools.
Chinese students held the strongest aspirations for their use of English in the future. In terms of satisfaction, Chinese students were more satisfied than Japanese and Korean students with their schools and lessons, but common traits also existed.
"In the three countries, we can see common behavioral traits, such as the difficulty experienced in fostering students' abilities to express themselves and their communication ability," Benesse official Masanori Takeda said. (Mainichi Shimbun, Japan, March 22, 2005) |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I noticed they didn't actually give a comparison of the countries for average test scores. I also wonder about the quality of the schools that participated and the academic abilities of the students.
Thanks for posting the article. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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As much as I respect Bennesse, I found this survey lacking.
Four schools surveyed? FOUR???? Not really much of a sample size, even if there were more than 2 thousand students. WHICH FOUR SCHOOLS? Higher level? SELHi? It really wasn't clear.
And, when I see statements like this...
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When asked to evaluate their own language ability, |
I open a large container of salt. Geez. |
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Mike L.
Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 519
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Gee I wonder which "4 schools" in Japan they picked for such a widespread survey?
These Japanese studies with ant ant's eye view of the world are really funny!
Or the ability to ignore things like piles of garbage all over your national treasures and still think their beautiful!
What's next? A survey of 4 "sellected companies" like Nissan to say "Japanese economy goingu upu!!"
It's Japanese way! LOLOLOLOLOLOL  |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I too noticed that they omitted the test scores. Low level students will always have the greatest improvement. I bet the Japanese scores still stunk and they probably chose better students to help skew the test scores. |
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Mike L.
Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 519
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: |
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I too noticed that they omitted the test scores. Low level students will always have the greatest improvement. I bet the Japanese scores still stunk and they probably chose better students to help skew the test scores. |
I bet they used every trick in the book in at the Japanese, Chinese and Korean schools!
Let's face it, these 3 countires are not known for either their excellence in EFL or their honesty when it comes to giving out the marks!  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Let's look at this article even more closely. (I didn't have time the first time around.)
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When officials examined the results of second-year high school students from Japan who had taken the test in the previous year, their average score stood at 440 out of a possible 800, about 40 points up from their results in the first test. |
While it may be debatable about a 10% increase being statistically significant, I just noticed something. They were measuring the SAME students over a 1-year period, not two different groups from the same year (for example, two 2nd year HS student groups). Well, golly gee, Gomer. Wouldn't you EXPECT students to get better scores as they get older and proceed through their schooling? What was the point of that statement anyway?
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The test was separated into three categories: reading, writing and listening. |
We will all take notice, of course, of the lack of the type of category that we know they all do poorly in...SPEAKING.
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When asked to evaluate their own language ability, Japanese students tied their ability to their scores. However, Chinese and South Korean students with scores lower than those of their Japanese counterparts answered that they had ability in English.In a question asking students to give an evaluation of themselves when they participated in activities involving the use of English, such as making telephone calls in English and looking at English Internet pages, Chinese and South Korean students gave a high opinion of their own abilities.
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Ok, let's dive into this highly subjective self-assessment, despite what I wrote earlier. I recall reading results of another survey somewhere in which Korean and Chinese students constantly had better images of their own ability than Japanese. Soooooooooo, it is no surprise that they seemed to THINK they "had ability" in English (whatever the heck THAT means).
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For first- and second-year students from ordinary schools, a 34-point rise was seen, compared to a 73-point increase among students from SELHi schools. |
Ok, now this is Benessee stroking the Ministry's back. WHICH SELHi's did they assess? Some of the SELHi's don't do much of anything to promote students' English; they may merely have the principal making weekly announcements in English, or hold an odd class once a year. Were the students from SELHi's in THIS so-called study in those schools, or were they the ones (like Ritsumeikan Uji HS) that send their kids overseas for almost a YEAR? Big difference here.
Benessee...shame on you.
Mainichi Shimbun...shame on you, too, for reporting so sloppily. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Glenski, Mainichi Shimbun is not exactly a reputable source for news. Let's not forget, they're the ones with Wai Wai.  |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: |
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deleted due to duplicate post anomaly...
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Hey, come on now. I LOVE Wai-wai. Everyone who is anyone knows that wai-wai gives nothing but the hard, honest truth.
I mean... Where would we be today unless it were exposed that the Expo boom bad news for Nagoya's boom-boom biz or that Scientist gets scoop on Madame butterfly poop.
I started reading Wai-wai MUCH more seriously ever since I started doubting that the Weekly World News's Batboy was for real and nothing more than a photo-montage hoax.
P.S. You also gotta read the Fisher files... Spellbinding stuff! |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 811 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of newspaper articles on Japanese education, anybody catch the recent series in Sankei Shinbun? Among other things, the articles refer to the establishment of the 「日本リメディアル(補習)教育学会」 (Japan Remedial [Developmental] Education Society) in order to 'deal' with a lot of the educational issues we've been discussing on this board.
'Deal' is put in quotes for the usual reasons--e.g., their initially offered brilliant 'solution' to Japan's educational problems is basically "Better textbooks and more study...". However, this group appears to have sponsored some interesting research themselves. One study found that 65% of non-English majors at Japan's private universities (number surveyed unmentioned) had English levels no different from 3rd-year junior high students. Which of course begs the question, what about all that 'intensive' English study in high school?
Another interesting article describes how Japan has begun to require universities to undergo outside, ostensibly independent auditing for quality control. The criteria for passing is somewhat vague. Still, so far, 34 universities have been audited, with 32 'passing.' The two that did not pass were Nasu Daigaku in Tochigi Ken and Ou Daigaku in Fukushima Ken. Not 100% sure what failing this external audit means, however...probably very little.
PM me if you want the full articles--I have them saved on my computer at home. |
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Mike L.
Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 519
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Notice how there's now author for this piece of propaganda?
I guess even the "company man journalists" of Japan have some dignity left!
What's the next article going to be?
Japanese Way Of English is Besto!!  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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taikibansei wrote: |
One study found that 65% of non-English majors at Japan's private universities (number surveyed unmentioned) had English levels no different from 3rd-year junior high students. Which of course begs the question, what about all that 'intensive' English study in high school?
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My math is lower than an advanced (or whatever they call it now) grade 12 student's in Ontario and I have an honours degree, a university certificate and a college certificate.
I dropped math after grade 12. My math skills (other than the ones I actually use) have deteriorated. Why would the same not happen in English level for someone who has no contact (or close to no contact) with the langauge? |
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 811 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
I dropped math after grade 12. My math skills (other than the ones I actually use) have deteriorated. Why would the same not happen in English level for someone who has no contact (or close to no contact) with the langauge? |
Understood completely, but the way the system is set up, these students (including non-majors) HAVE continued to have contact with the English language in high school, not to mention are REQUIRED to take English (or at least a foreign language) again in university. So, implying that they have just stopped using/studying English is not necessarily correct.
I guess what interests me about this is the idea that something is happening in junior high school English classes that may not be happening in high school or university. I've heard from a number of Japanese students of English that they enjoyed English in junior high but felt that high school and university English courses were a waste of time. The study as well seems to suggest that students learn many of their English skills in junior high school, with high school and university English classes, at best, helping them maintain what they learned.
I guess I'd like to hear from anybody who's taught at junior high schools--what are you guys doing right? |
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