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orangiey
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dear jeffinflorida
Just a quickie-do you have a degree? |
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carken
Joined: 14 Feb 2003
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Location: Texas, formerly Hangzhou
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff, congrats on getting your Z visa with no problems after coming to China. Hubby and I had ours before we went, but we found out that some schools can do anything for you - even perform a bit of magic!
I was hired to teach oral English, and since my husband was coming as a dependent and had a white face and native English, the school wanted him to teach, too. Now, I'm a certified English/ESL teacher here in the U.S., but DH is a retired construction worker (no college degree). "Don't worry, we'll get him a degree," said the deputy principal. And they did. |
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amandabarrick
Joined: 30 Dec 2004
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Jeff's experience of getting an 'L' visa changed to a 'Z' visa is common and legal, at least in Jiangsu Province. You can call the PSB and ask, they will tell you it is legal. I am not saying everyone should do it, or that it is able to be done in any province, but i get the feeling people are saying that what Jeff has done with his school doesn't follow the letter of the law. Well, ask the law and see what they say. In Jiangsu Province they say it is legal and common, as long as the school has the proper status to hire foreign citizens and you have a degree. This is exactly what they told me.
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Talkdoc
Joined: 03 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Jeff's experience of getting an 'L' visa changed to a 'Z' visa is common and legal, at least in Jiangsu Province. |
The process of converting an L-Visa to a Z-Visa may currently be common administrative practice in Jiangsu Province, but earning income on a tourist Visa, prior to its conversion to a work Visa, is most definitely not legal in any province: although the practice is apparently tolerated in a few. The problems with doing it that way become self-evident if the employer does not do what he promised, at which time the prospective employee is now stuck between a rock and a hard place with no legal status, no one to turn to (including the PSB who previously stated they had no problem with it) and nowhere to hide.
Until such time that China is able to satisfy their employment needs with only legitimate teachers, we will always have posters here citing how they were able to work in China with no degree, no experience and no Z-Visa (or, related, how it was converted subsequent to employment). Although I personally question the motives (not to mention wisdom) of those broadcasting such "successes" here occasionally, I have no particular problem with it. We all know that enforcement of the law varies greatly between provinces and that some provinces administer the law differently (especially in regard to Visa conversion). One thing, however, can be stated with absolute certainty: If you come to China to teach with a Z-Visa, having legitimately met the minimum requirements, you don't need to concern yourself at all with any of it; these issues are entirely moot.
My particular problem with these type of discussions is limited to how these exceptions are inevitably hailed, by some, as prima facie evidence of the absence of any effective law in place governing who can teach in China (and under what set of circumstances they can teach here legally), particularly in regard to newcomers who are in search of facts (which are not dictated by personal experiences and the possible current exceptions that these may speak to between provinces).
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cj750
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Truth is it is a comon practice to convert F and L to Z...and the PSB does have its own provential understanding of the laws, changing interpetaiton of the regulation to fit the provential needs...in some provences English is a tech. skill and in others another kind of work visa is used to insure the ammount of bodies needed. While a visa is in the hands of the PSB..it is in Limbo...and has little effect....so while the visa is awaiting processing and it is in the prosession of the PSB..(it is my understanding) that it is legal to work if the visa is being converted...of cource if the police officer wants to fine you ..he will find a regulation or law to help justify his penelty for any and all infractions..at his discression.
The z visa has little protection from slimey promoters of languages..and at any time a contract can be canceled...even with in the context of a simple conversation( See if you can fine any FTs that have collected on the clause (early release form contract)). This is not an excuse to not to do it by the book..it is always better..but if everyone did it by the book, then the only folks that would be here are the highly educated..and there would be a lot of vacant positions. The time when China will not need "unqualified" teachers is a long way away and for all those who have said that China is changing.."we've seen this all before"... |
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