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Gordon
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| Let's look at Masters in English/TEFL or Applied Linguistics since that is what most of us here are studying, not German but I know that is your expertise. |
Gordon, where does the part about studying German come in. I have admitted that I study German but have only cited ESL programs. If you prefer applied linguistic programs then I will find some examples of applied linguistic programs for you. |
You gave Germany as your example. Who wants to study TEFL in Germany? Let's look at countries where English is spoken as a first language. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:19 am Post subject: |
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AsiaTraveller wrote,
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| MIIS has visiting scholars and students from around the world, plus the potential for fruitful networking, joint research, and cultural exchange. |
Asia Traveller, do you ever get the point? The example about the University of Delaware having more foreign students and scholars was not about the numbers. The point was that yes, the Monterey Institute may have many great possibilities for interacting with foreign students and scholars but this does not make the Monterey Institute better than other institutes. There are many schools that have opportunities to exchange ideas with people of other cultures. You could attend Georgetown, the University of Pittsburgh, Harvard, the University of Delaware or Purdue.
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For your (and everyone else's) information, MIIS has a total of approximately 750 students on its campus.
The University of Delaware has a total of approximately 18,000 students on its campus. |
If you would like to argue the numbers as well, we will have to wait until I find what percentage of students at MIIS are foreigners? Thirty-two percent of the graduate students at the University of Delaware are foreigners. There are not so many international undergraduate students but it is likely that someone who pursues an MA will be spending his or her time with other graduate students. It is possible that MIIS has a higher percentage of foreign students and I will find that out as soon as I can.
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AsiaTraveller
Joined: 24 May 2004
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Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Penang, Denpasar, Berkeley
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JZer, your cluelessness about this entire thread continues to lead you to make totally irrelevant statements and assertions.
For the record: MIIS is a place that is DEDICATED to intercultural education and experience. I know of very, very few other places where this is the case. All 750 students are there to study and research topics in intercultural communication and behavior. That precisely is the school's value.
The OP and denise, the two who originally brought up MIIS, wisely left the discussion long ago because your advice about "value" was so irrelevant to them.
And I'm leaving now. Ciao!
N.B.
Maybe next time I see your postings, you will have learned how to use the quote feature here on the ESL Cafe. |
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JZer
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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AsiaTraveller stated,
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| Maybe next time I see your postings, you will have learned how to use the quote feature here on the ESL Cafe. |
Yeah and maybe next time you will learn to stick to the argument instead of adding irrelevant side comments. Your side comments sound like a whining child
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| For the record: MIIS is a place that is DEDICATED to intercultural education and experience. I know of very, very few other places where this is the case. |
That is a great insult to many universities. Monterey may be the only university dedicated entirely to intercultural education but it is in no way the only university dedicated to intercultural education. You can also surround yourself with intercultural education and exchange at other universities. Your fallacy is you seem to believe that it is impossible to experience similar cultural exchange somewhere else. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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AsiaTraveller wrote,
The problem is that I perceived value may not be as great as you think. Secondly you have not even considered how borrowing $35,000 U.S. might limit your choices in life. |
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JZer
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Here is some information from the Monterey Institute:
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Dear James,
Thank you for your interest in the Monterey Institute of International
Studies
At this moment, international students constitute about 30% of our student
body.
Best,
Guilherme Mattoso
Admissions Office
Monterey Institute of International Studies
460 Pierce Street
Monterey, CA 93940 USA
831 647 4123
800 824 7235
Fax 831 647 6405
www.miis.edu
[email protected] |
The graduate school at the University of Delaware has a higher percentage of international students than the Monterey Institute. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| MIIS has visiting scholars and students from around the world, plus the potential for fruitful networking, joint research, and cultural exchange. It's a widely recognized center for international study and collaboration. |
AsiaTraveller, the point is and now I have demonstrated it that you can be exposed to students from around the world at many schools. MIIS is not the only institute that offers opportunities for cultural exchange and networking!!!! |
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Gordon
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JZer,
Have you noticed that you're just talking to yourself? We're all done here. I guess we can safely say you won't attend MIIS. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Have you noticed that you're just talking to yourself? |
NO, like I did not know that!!!! I just posted the information for anyone that wants to read it. If no one does, that is his or her choice. Plus maybe someone new is interested in the information, so the post is not useless. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| I guess we can safely say you won't attend MIIS. |
You shouldn't continue to make such assumptions. First you thought that I was promoting Purdue because I was suggesting that people look into the program, even though I attend the University of Delaware and now you want to assume that I would not attend MIIS. You are missing the whole point of the conversation.
The point was that there are other options and that people should question what they have been told. They should question whether MIIS is worth $23,000 a year as opposed to possibly attending a program this is free! This is not only about the money but whether University A is really that different than University B. It is like when no one would believe Columbus when he told them the world was round and not flat in that just because people believe something to be true does not make it true. The point is not who is correct but that people should at least question certain believes about something.
Furthermore some people made such absurd presumptions such as MIIS is the only place dedicated to intercultural education.
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For the record: MIIS is a place that is DEDICATED to intercultural education and experience. I know of very, very few other places where this is the case. |
Anyone that has been exposed to large universities in America would know that there are many universities that are dedicated to intercultural experience and education. At these universities you can expose yourself to intercultural experiences or not. It is your choice!!!
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James_T_Kirk
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Location: Ten Forward
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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For the record: MIIS is a place that is DEDICATED to intercultural education and experience. I know of very, very few other places where this is the case. |
Anyone that had experience with large universities in America would know that there are many universities that are dedicated to intercultural experience and education. At these universities you can place yourself in a situation where you will not have much exposure but if you want to experience intercultural education and experiences you can easily expose yourself to it. |
While I think this thread is out of control, I have to back JZer on at least this point...there are many good schools out there that offer great intercultural educations (like my alma mater, the University of Illinois!).
If you can afford MIIS, by all means go for it. However, if you can't, rest assured that there are other great public schools out there that might have programs that are nearly as good, if not better, than MIIS, and you might be able to get an fellowship/assistantship with one of these programs as well! By all means, get the best education you can get, but, trust me, it is in your best interest to avoid debt!
Cheers,
Kirk
P.S.- Go Illini!!! Beat UNC!!! |
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fluffyhamster
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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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| So, anyone prepared to dig a bit (and who wouldn't?!) can save themselves money on courses, and if they do in fact decide to go to MIIS instead (for whatever totally insane reason), they'll just have to live with the extra expense/debt. Either way, the choice and responsibility is theirs. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| they'll just have to live with the extra expense/debt. Either way, the choice and responsibility is theirs. |
The point is that some people do not realize the cost of this extra debt. It might limit the jobs that they can accept after graduation because they will have to worry about paying back $35,000. |
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fluffyhamster
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JZer, I'm afraid you're going to have to live with the fact that even if a person reads this very thread, and does even more research than you have, they may still choose to go to MIIS and gladly bear the extra expense. I'm not trying to demean the value of anything you've pointed out as an alternative here, I'm just saying, 'It's a funny old world!', and a person's financial decisions shouldn't be of any concern to anyone other than that person and those whom it might directly affect (i.e. family or relatives).
I'm sure that most people weigh up their options very carefully, and don't take these sorts of decisions lightly. Whether there's 1,000 dollars or 30,000 involved (or no costs involved at all!), people usually are responsible with money and only spend what they believe they can at that moment afford to pay (or can repay within a reasonable period of time), and I doubt if anyone would get into serious debt (that which they could not or were not willing to repay) by studying at MIIS purely on a spur-of-the-moment whim (and if they did, more fool them). |
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dyak
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