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[englishgibson]

I wonder whether it was possible that an employer would be able to cancel his/her former foreign staff member's Z Work Visa without that person's knowledge and passport. That would of course be under special cirrcumstances such as the employee would "get dismissed with his/her Visa valid till few months later or the employee would quit with a short notice (with reasons).

[nolefan]

The short answer is "YES"

The employer has every right to cancel a visa he/she has sponsored.

[Roger]

The employer cannot cancel any visa but the PSB can; if he has terminated you then it is actually his duty to report your departure to the PSB.
You are not supposed to be working for another employer using your first visa.

[englishgibson]

Yes Roger! It would be illigal to work for another employer. I am not working, but sitting and waiting (searching for a reasonable offer), while my Z Visa is still valid for a few more weeks. However consider my "former/recent employer" might be unhappy (I left for good reasons). Reporting me to PSB without my passport would give him an opportunity to cancel my Z Visa according to you and I would not even know that I would be illigally in China, even though I would have my Z Visa in my passport still valid (for a few weeks). Is that what you are saying???

[Zero Hero]

'EnglishGibbon', the mistake you make is assuming the Z visa is some form of general work visa, it is not. 'Roger' is actually right here as the Z is employer-dependent. That is, it is tied to a particular employer, indeed, to a particular post. A Z visa does not give you the right to take employment from anyone who happens to offer it, as evinced by the fact they have to immediately secure another Z visa for you upon your taking up employment with them. If in the same province, this will only be issued if your erstwhile employer has given you a release letter.

By the way, its illegal, not 'illigal'.

[englishgibson]

Hi Zero Point dude! Thank you for your input! I guess that my concern and enguiry via eslcafe has got lost somewhere here. My current Z Visa that THE EMPLOYER's organized for me is going to expiry in a few weeks and I AM NOT planning "using it" for work. The only issue here is that not travelling back to Canada (staying in China) for those few weeks might put me in a position, where I will have to pay a PENALTY if my "few more weeks Z Visa" is cancelled without my knowledge and before I find a new employer. I guess that according to you guys to be on a safe side I should just exit China, wait in Hong Kong for example, and come back to China once I find that new employer in a few. By the way Zero Point thanks for your clarification of the spelling of ILLEGAL. Cheers!

[Zero Hero]

Ignorance is no defence. It is of no import whatsoever whether or not you are aware of your Z visa being cancelled. It is simply not relevant.

[Roger]

[englishgibson]

Roger, thank you for your input and some comfort that you have provided me with. I do not wish to "TOUR" on my Z Visa till it expiries (in the middle of May 2005) as you have applied, nor I wish to work elsewhere as someone here applied, but I would like to have that time to find a new post in China (without exiting/leaving) as I have said. Sure I am planning on possibly going down to Hong Kong for that F Visa (with new employer) in May, should I find a reasonable position in China, even though I do not wish to be stopped by the customs due to a "SURPRISE THAT MY CURRENT Z VISA HAS BEEN CANCEL". To be more clear on my work arrangement with that employer (my current Z Visa), I have had a "long term" arrangement with him, even though my Z Visa's been arranged for only 6 monhts (till middle of May 2005). This whole issue that I am raising here is all about MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE Z VISA'S VALIDITY IN MY PASSPORT (to allow me stay in China till the middle of May 2005). Now, I have no idea of what you ZERO HERO are refering to with your bold OFF TOPIC IGNORANCE ISSUE statement.
Cheers all[/i]