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Getting over the fact that some students will hate you.
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No Moss



Joined: 15 Apr 2003
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Location: Thailand

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anthyp wrote:


I teach at a vocational school, and I, too, am young (although at 23 I am older than most of my students). But I am as qualified as any of the Chinese teachers here and there is certainly no question that I am more knowledgeable about the matters I teach here than my students.

You might have been OK in a Middle School or kindergarden. But, as I see it, you only have one course of action here: give up on this grotesque pretense of being a teacher and become the "dancing monkey" you were hired to be. Play games, sing songs, quit masquarading


Hmm. I'm guessing you don't teach writing.
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anthyp



Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Griffin wrote:
Anthy i could not agree more with your reply. I truly want to give up on some of my classes. If I do give up then the students will go to my boss and complain to him, and this will only make more trouble for me.


Yikes, I don't think you need to take such a defeatist attitude!

Just relax and try not to take yourself too seriously. As that other poster suggested, you can find interesting activities to do with your charges on the web. I just think you can't go in there with this teaching attitude anymore, for your own sake.

But there would be no harm if you prepared organized lessons built around games or other (edutational) activities. The students who want to learn, could -- at least a little. Those who don't, won't ... but maybe you could keep them entertained enough not to disrupt the others.

And you won't go crazy in the meantime.

No Moss wrote:
anthyp wrote:


I teach at a vocational school, and I, too, am young (although at 23 I am older than most of my students). But I am as qualified as any of the Chinese teachers here and there is certainly no question that I am more knowledgeable about the matters I teach here than my students.

You might have been OK in a Middle School or kindergarden. But, as I see it, you only have one course of action here: give up on this grotesque pretense of being a teacher and become the "dancing monkey" you were hired to be. Play games, sing songs, quit masquarading


Hmm. I'm guessing you don't teach writing.


Heh ... Embarassed No, I don't. (I must be mellowing in my old age, normally I would lash out at someone foolish enough to challenge me, ah well.)
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Long ai gu



Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems you've dug a bit of a hole for yourself Peter. Many teachers in China have been in this hole or are still in it now, you are not alone. My advice is to face the problem head-on. Tell your students exactly how you are feeling about teaching them--the good honest truth, pull no punches. Make sure you are using simple enough English so they all can understand you. Use humour in class whenever you can. When you show people honesty you'll be surprised at how they will open up to you. Christ man, my students tell me the best thing any foreign teacher can do for them is to talk to them. Of course getting them to talk back is another problem. Many FT's on this forum are under this grand illusion that they are top notch educators and they will try to make you feel bad about yourself. Don't believe all the spew you read here, remember we're all hiding behind the internet.
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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems you've dug a bit of a hole for yourself Peter. Many teachers in China have been in this hole or are still in it now, you are not alone. My advice is to face the problem head-on. Tell your students exactly how you are feeling about teaching them--the good honest truth, pull no punches. Make sure you are using simple enough English so they all can understand you. Use humour in class whenever you can. When you show people honesty you'll be surprised at how they will open up to you. Christ man, my students tell me the best thing any foreign teacher can do for them is to talk to them. Of course getting them to talk back is another problem. Many FT's on this forum are under this grand illusion that they are top notch educators and they will try to make you feel bad about yourself. Don't believe all the spew you read here, remember we're all hiding behind the internet.
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NorbertRadd



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
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Location: Shenzhen, Guangdong

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:47 pm    Post subject: I'll second that previous post Reply with quote

I'll second that previous post.
Just keep going.
Make them practice.
Most have never actually learned a second language as an adult and there are a lot of maturity issues.
Next time try to get a better gig or just bail.
Good luck.
Cheers.
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sheeba



Joined: 17 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On first arrival I was compared to the other teacher who previousely taught here . Students would say 'he has a sense of humour ' and I would take this as implying that I do not . I thought students were begining to dislike me . Now I feel things have gotten better - Reasons -

I now plan my lessons and use a textbook - Interchange . I find this book quite useful - It provides structure and although some of the activities I could criticise I adapt them . I think the students respect me more when they see I have planned something.

My sense of humour(being English!) is different from many other foreigners . I don't think the Chinese after 8 months understand it - But I do think that now I have RELAXED a little in class and they find some of my characteristics amusing . I don't think advice like ' Try to inject a sense of humour into your lesson ' has ever helped me . I think just be yourself is the best advice I have ever received and I have only just started to do this.

Students have started to criticise my lessons . some say too easy some say too hard .
I have realised that they are not good judges on what they should be learning . I now evaluate my lessons and look at successes and failures.

I have a long way to go to becoming a good teacher and one that should be respected but only now do I realise that this is a learning curve . You are concerned enough to post on Daves re your problem - I am sure you can win respect from students . I'm still battling too but it is getting better all the time !!! I wish you all the luck in the world!
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tom selleck



Joined: 05 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You never mentioned how large your classes are. This has a lot to do with
how to plan an activity. Large classes mean one is pretty much relegated to lots of group work. Circulate and monitor. Let them do the work. They're the ones there to learn a language.

One of the other posters came up with the idea of putting them into groups according to their abilities. In other words, let those who want to learn, learn, and those who don't continue reading Japanese comic books. No idea is right or wrong - it's whatever works for your class.

It's been my experience that students who complain that a class is too easy usually have listening ability that is lacking. If you ask them what is too easy, they'll ask you "What did you say?" Simply adding to the word collection does not a language learner make!
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ChinaMovieMagic



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you ask them what is too easy, they'll ask you "What did you say?"
Laughing
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