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tjg_marantz
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
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 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:41 pm Post subject: CDI College question |
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Longshot but here goes. I was reading Indiana Jones' comments about getting an Instructor Visa with a 2 year diploma and a TESOL cert I believe. Does anyone know what the 1 year intensive CDI Programmer Analyst course is worth? It's a 1 year course, 8 to 5, Monday to Friday program. Would it be the equivalent of a two year diploma, three year, nothing? If anyone has had experience obtaining a visa with this Diploma, could you let me know?
I can go to Japan on a dependant visa but of course working full-time is more appealing.
On a second note, maybe someone missed my previous thread asking, but what is part-time? 20 hours? 35 hours? I read a document stating it's up to 35 hours a week but I am not sure this is only in theory or also in practice. If it is 35 hours, that would seem to open up esl positions if a school were to hire me...
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Glenski
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| A 1-year course in anything is not going to get you a work visa. You'd need at least 3 years of work experience to qualify for that if you don't have the degree needed. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: CDI College question |
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| tjg_marantz wrote: |
Longshot but here goes. I was reading Indiana Jones' comments about getting an Instructor Visa with a 2 year diploma and a TESOL cert I believe. Does anyone know what the 1 year intensive CDI Programmer Analyst course is worth? It's a 1 year course, 8 to 5, Monday to Friday program. Would it be the equivalent of a two year diploma, three year, nothing? If anyone has had experience obtaining a visa with this Diploma, could you let me know?
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I dont know what Indiana Jones said about visas but its immigration that provides visas, no one else. Immigration law states you need an undergraduate Bachelors degree for an Instructors visa, or 3 years related experience in the field if you don't have a degree (Humanities).
Immigration does not accept non-degree diplomas for the purposes of obtaining work visas, unless one has the relevant experience in teaching ESL. |
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tjg_marantz
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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I was referring to this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=20493
Second to last post:
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Here is the http://www.japan.org.au/Evisa.htm link. Here is the specific information:
7. Instructor
Permitted activities
Language instruction and other education at elementary schools, junior high schools, high schools, schools for the blind, handicapped children's schools, advanced vocational schools (Senshu Gakko), vocational schools or the other educational institutions equivalent to vocational schools in facilities and curriculum.
Period of stay: 1 year or 6 months
I was told by the Japanese consulate in Melbourne, Australia, that a 2-year diploma and TESOL certificate will be considered if sponsored work is achieved before applying for the visa. |
This is why I was wondering if a 1 year intensive course could equal a regular 2 year diploma. I will be looking into the 2-year + TESOL to see if Immigration or the consulate have any thoughts on them. You see why I was wondering if the 1 year intensive could equal a 2 year diploma.
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:59 am Post subject: |
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The embassy obviously missed this bit:
Instructor 1. In cases where the applicant is to engage in instruction at a vocational school ("Kakushugakko") or an educational institution equivalent to it in facilities and curriculum or in cases where the applicant is to engage in instruction at other school with a capacity other than a "teacher", the following conditions are to be fulfilled.
However (a) is to be fulfilled in cases where the applicant is to engage in instruction at a vocational school or an educational institution equivalent to it in facilities and curriculum which is established to give the children with the status of residence "Diplomat" or "Official" mentioned in Annexed Table 1 (1) or "Dependent" mentioned in Annexed Table 1 (4) education of primary, junior and senior high school in foreign language.
a. The applicant must have graduated from or completed a college or acquired equivalent education, or must hold a license to teach the subject that he or she intends to teach in Japan.
| tjg_marantz wrote: |
| L Does anyone know what the 1 year intensive CDI Programmer Analyst course is worth? It's a 1 year course, 8 to 5, Monday to Friday program. Would it be the equivalent of a two year diploma, three year, nothing? ! |
In language teaching, not much.
b. When the applicant is planning on teaching a foreign language, he or she must have acquired education in that language for at least 12 years. When the applicant is going to teach other subjects, he or she must have at least 5 years' teaching experience in that subject.
2. The applicant should receive no less salary than a Japanese national would receive for comparable work.
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Specialist in
Humanities/
International
Services The applicant must fulfill the following conditions. However, these conditions shall not apply in cases where the applicant plans to engage in work involving proxy duties in procedures relating to international arbitration cases as designated in Article 58-2 of the Foreign Lawyer's Law (Law No. 66 of 1986).
1. When planning to engage in work requiring knowledge in the humanities, the applicant must have acquired the relevant knowledge by graduating from college majoring in a subject relevant to the knowledge required for performing the work concerned, or by receiving an equivalent or higher level of education, or by accumulating at least 10 years of practical experience in the planned work (including the period of time spent majoring in a subject related to the required knowledge at college, "Koto senmongakko", senior high school, the latter half of unified secondary school, or during specialized course of study at an advanced vocational school ("Senshugakko")).[b]
2. When planning to engage in work requiring specific ways of thought or sensitivity based on experience with foreign culture, the applicant must fulfill the following conditions:
a. The applicant is to engage in translation, interpretation, language instruction, public relations, advertising, overseas transactions, fashion or interior design, product development, or other similar work.
b. [b]The applicant must have at least 3 years of experience in work relating to the relevant job. However, this does not apply if the applicant has graduated from college and is planning to engage in work involving translation, interpreting, or language instruction.
3. The applicant should receive no less salary than a Japanese national would receive for comparable work.
BY saying they will consider your diploma after you have got sponsorship is putting the cart before the horse. You need the degree in order to get sponsorship of your visa, and then your employer will consider anything else you have as icing on the cake.
99.9% of employers will not even consider you if you dont have a degree as you then arent considered eligible for sponsorship of a visa.
By saying that they will consider you after you have got sponsorship means you have already qualified for the visa, for which you need a university degree.
P.S. If you have one year of tertiary education and want to apply at NOVA and you qualify for a working holiday visa, you can work part time under the Flex Time system at NOVA. Under present rules you do not qualify for full sponsored work visa and a majority of employers here will either ask for a valid work visa and/or a degree.
| tjg_marantz wrote: |
I can go to Japan on a dependant visa but of course working full-time is more appealing.
Thanks! |
Except you dont have a degree and cant get a sponsored work visa on a one year diploma.
| tjg_marantz wrote: |
L but what is part-time? 20 hours? 35 hours? I read a document stating it's up to 35 hours a week but I am not sure this is only in theory or also in practice. If it is 35 hours, that would seem to open up esl positions if a school were to hire me...
Thanks! |
Part time for a student is about 20 work hours a week. Dependent is about 25 hours. This is not teaching hours but clock-in, clock-out working hours. You could teach 'under the table though in excess of these hours.
For the purposes of not paying pensions and health insurance, most language teachers here are considered part time or casual as their teaching hours are less than 30 hours, though they spend at least 8 hours a day, or 40 hours a week in the office. What is considered part time depends on who you are talking to. Employers dont have to pay pensions on part time employees, but must pay on full-timers. |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| A friend from Canada got a work visa with a 2 year diploma. It was an oversight by immigration (read: he got lucky) Unless you get lucky and immigration makes a mistake, your CDI diploma is worth jack when trying to get a work visa. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: Here is the Indiana Jones post and my reply |
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| Indiana Jones wrote: |
| You can also get work in Japan teaching oral english. The Instructor Visa was introduced last September. It's for people who are 31 and over, but don't have a degree and want to work as an oral english teacher/aide. If you can line up a job then you can get this visa. It's very hard to get a job this way, but it's not impossible. Same for CHina. I've spoken to both country's consulates and immigration. |
Your information is incorrect. Instructor is for anyone who has 'graduated from university or college' or has an equivalent qualification to a degree.Instructor visas are basically available to anyone with a degree or has 3 years of certified ESL or teaching experience.
You can line up a job but you have to get an employer here to agree to sponsor you. With no sponsor you can not get a visa and with no degree and no visa you are S-O-L.
I have already had one person who has seen your post, believing he has a chance of getting a job here with a 2 year diploma and have set him straight on the immigration requirements. You need a legal visa (it doesnt have to be a teaching visa but you must be allowed to work here on that visa e.g. spouse visa).
A 1-year or a 2-year diploma doesnt cut any mustard with Japanese immigration here.[/quote] |
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tjg_marantz
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I was preparing myself for part-time work(probably teaching, if not, no biggie, and private lessons, english, french, computers) and doing what I needed to do once over there to be able to get a full-time working visa. Whether it be schooling or otherwise. Maybe a TESOL cert will make me a bit more appealing to prospective employers.
Nothing here is changing my plans so that's good I'll just put my nose to the grindstone once I get there and figure out my options past part-time work.
Thanks for the heads up! |
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