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Spinoza
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Zero Hero
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| Are you saying a British BA from Oxford is better than a tinpot Masters degree from a small no-name college in the US? |
I would say that, yes. This is as, in fact, strictly speaking, there is no such thing as only a BA from Oxford colleges. Most if not all BAs from Oxford have an Oxon MA. That is, when you complete a BA at Oxford, you are, upon payment of a small fee, awarded an MA one year later (principally due to the ultra high academic standards and sheer volume of work).
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PAULH
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Are you saying a British BA from Oxford is better than a tinpot Masters degree from a small no-name college in the US? |
I agree that you're losing the plot, Paul H.
I'm not discussing Masters at all - I haven't mentioned it. I'm not saying any degree is better than any other. Let's just leave it, because you clearly don't understand what I'm saying.. |
I was going to send a rebuttal by PM but thought not to (for now)
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Zero Hero
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| P.S, your profile says you work in a bank or a finance company. Why are you so concerned with what degrees people have to teach English overseas? |
So what? One poster's profile states he is currently located "Somewhere Over The Rainbow", another's that he is in "Camelot". Should we believe them?
Also, how exactly does working for a bank exclude any possibility of a future career shift?
In addition, would your comment above not qualify as sarcasm?
Furthermore, is it wholly appropriate for a moderator to entangle himself in petty disputes in a thread? Are you posting as a fellow poster, or as a moderator? Do you not see how this could be construed as abuse of power? |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Most if not all BAs from Oxford have a cantab MA. That is, when you complete a BA at Oxford, you are, upon payment of a small fee, awarded an MA one year later (principally due to the ultra high academic standards and sheer volume of work). |
If you graduate from Oxford you have a BA (Oxon); you get a BA (Cantab) from Cambridge. 'Oxon' and 'Cantab' are simply abbreviations for the Latin names for Oxford and Cambridge. At Cambridge you can claim the MA three years later. You are supposed to pay for it but at my college so many people neither bothered to pay for it nor claim for it that they snuck the money in with the Matriculation fee which was paid by the LEA so you didn't need to send any cash. This resulted in the College Deputy at my last interview refering to Oxbridge degrees as "Buy one and get one free", which is franky a more accurate description of the situation than the (principally due to the ultra high academic standards and sheer volume of work) which you so naively refer to. |
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Spinoza
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moonraven
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Let's not get so convoluted in our reasoning that paralysis sets in.
When employers ask for a 4 year degree, that means they expect the person they hire to have either a BS or a BA--or the equivalent in other systems. The reason for this is that many countries' immigration offices will not give work visas to folks without those degrees--which are considered professional degrees.
Folks have asked about 2 year Associates degrees. Those are not considered to be professional degrees. Folks with those are considered to be "technicians"--even in non-technical fields, not professionals.
There are lots of substandard degree programs out there--at all levels, including the doctoral--and more emerge all the time because of the ease of online study. In the countries where those degrees are granted, employers know which ones are legitimate, and which are not.
If you have one of those crackerjack box degrees, that and a buck might get you a cup of substandard coffee in the US, for example. In other countries--especially those which are sinkholes for EFL teachers, the person who hires you may not know one degree from another, and just wants to see a seal on something. or that hirer may be from the very country from which you got that crackerjack box degree, and will not give you the time of day.
Like in anything else in this life, "you pays your money and you takes your chances". |
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Cardinal Synn
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Many countries don't accept three-year BA/BS degrees. Of course, if they don't look too closely . . . |
.....Unless they come from New Zealand and Australia, where three year degrees are the norm. |
Same goes for the UK, Paul |
You mean England, of course old chap. We've already discussed the boring differences between Scotland and England regarding degree course lengths. Pedantic?me? The 4 year Scottish degree might just,after all,be an advantage in such cases, but I've never heard of anyone with an English degree being knocked back due to having only a 3 year course under their belt. |
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merlin
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What an amazingly nonsensical thread.
The time it takes to complete a degree is really irrelevant.
Fact is you can graduate with a "4 year" degree in three years if you increase the volume of work. Is it then a three-year degree? Well, yes and no because the two are both generallyrecognized as the same qualification.
Now , lets say you find a potential employer that won't recognize a 3-year degree for whatever reason. You should probably steer clear of employers who have their heads so far up their arses and allow organizational natural selection to run its course. If they can't work this one out they probably have all kinds of suprises waiting for you in your first month with them. 
Maybe sometime I'll tell everyone my sob story about how much paperwork is required to get ANY non-Czech degree from ANYWHERE "nostrificated".
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| One poster's profile states he is currently located ... in "Camelot". |
I believe the poster in question states he's between two unknown points, not actually in either one. |
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Cardinal Synn
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| The sillyness really lies with the schools that say they require a four year degree. For companies recruiting from a "global" market place, it displays ignorance. |
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Stephen Jones
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| You mean England, of course old chap. |
And Wales of course.
Strange how the Scots are so insistent about their own particular status and so careless about that of others.
Perhaps they don't like the reminder of how badly they treated their own Celts from the time of Culloden to the Highland Clearances. |
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GeminiTiger
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| You mean England, of course old chap. |
And Wales of course.
Strange how the Scots are so insistent about their own particular status and so careless about that of others.
Perhaps they don't like the reminder of how badly they treated their own Celts from the time of Culloden to the Highland Clearances. |
"The United Kingdom (UK) is the nation state consisting of England,
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland." But you forgot about Northern
Ireland, why is that Stephen are you some sort of Northern Ireland
bigot? I think so............ |
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Stephen Jones
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Well, I could go on a rant about Northern Ireland being with Gibralter, the only colony left in Europe :)
The reason I don't mention Northern Ireland is that I don't know its education system. England and Wales have the same education system. |
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merlin
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| The sillyness really lies with the schools that say they require a four year degree. For companies recruiting from a "global" market place, it displays ignorance. |
The astounding silliness is anyone worth their salt wanting to be hired by such cracker-jack employers. In a way at least it gives us a kind of early warning and when you see such things in an ad you can just click the "back" button. "NOPE! Not that one." |
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Cardinal Synn
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah but it's more fun to blame the schools. Ingorant scum - should have their testies wired tio high voltage cables. |
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