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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject: NT $60.000 mth. Is this good for a B.Ed. with M.A.? |
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Hi folks
This is ghost, a graduate of McGill University, and the University of Windsor (Canada). My credentials include a B.A., B.Ed., M.A. and full two year Post Graduate Certificate in Second Languange Teaching and T.E.S.L.
There is a school in Taichung County - Chia-Yang High School, which has expressed interest in hiring me. They offer
1. Starting salary NT $60.000 a month (NT $63.000 in second year)
The salary package is confusing to read, because it also mentions $1500-$1800 U.S. tax free, and $2500-$2700 tax free Canadian dollars. Which salary is the right one?
2. Shared accommodation or NT $7000 housing allowance if you do not want the shared accommodation.
3. 3 week paid Chinese New Year
4. Basic hours are 8-4 or 10-6 (25 contact hours)
Am also looking at teaching in Saudi Arabia.
Do you think the salary package and conditions are good.
Feedback much appreciated. Thank you. |
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matchstick_man
Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 244 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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For some one with your qualifications, when looking at it from an hourly perspective, it seems a little low to me as I work those sort of hours in a cram school and make more. Where in Taichung County is it?
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Girl Scout

Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 525 Location: Inbetween worlds
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 9:01 am Post subject: |
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You should also remember that your contract states 25 contact hours. That means they will not be paying you for prep time or grading. You probably have an idea how much time that will take you. When you calculate all the time spent on or at work you probably will not be making as much as you think. Most people beleive you should be making at least $600NT. For someone with your level of education I would have to agree.
mm is right. I too make more at my cram school. |
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Aristotle

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1388 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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You need to be in Taiwan to find a decent job.
I am not sure if this is the same job but it may be. There was a similar offer last year at a private high school in Da Li, Taichung County.
This is what was offered then.
8am to 5pm,
one hour lunch break,
Monday through Friday,
3 weeks vacation during the lunar new year,
40 hours a week on the clock on the premises and looking busy,
additional unspecified support hours,
25 to 30 hours a week teaching in the class room,
compensation was 63,000NT a month plus housing allowance,
ARC and medical insurance are offered but not guaranteed.
Last year that would have been below average. This year it is unclear but average pay and benefits are on a downturn across the board.
60,000 a month is what cram school teachers make and they only work the hours they teach. If you are not in the classroom and your work is done you shouldn't have to hang out and waste your time.
With your credentials you qualify for a University position but even then the wages and benefits are surprisingly low.
I imagine Saudi Arabia probably offers a much more attractive package but how does one account for shrapnel?
Please read this.
http://www.geocities.com/taiwanteacher2002/Success.html
McGill grads are advised against punching police officers on Taiwan (it's a cultural thing)!
Good luck.
A. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Aristotle wrote: |
Last year that would have been below average. This year it is unclear but average pay and benefits are on a downturn across the board. |
There is no evidence to support this claim and I personally disagree with the accuracy of this statement. In fact the evidence that is out there suggests that wages are the same or slightly higher than in the past. Please provide a reference to validate this claim!
Salary positions often have the advantage in that they include paid holidays, paid public holidays, paid typhoon days etc.
The downside to these positions is that they restrict your chances of earning alternative income as they keep you all day.
Personally, hourly wages are a better bet in my opinion. You only get paid for the work that you do, but at least you only need to stay at school if you are actually working. The rest of the time is your own to study, travel, teach privates etc.
The position you are asking about isn't a terrible deal, but you could probably do better. It is a lot of hours for a pretty average monthly wage. Add to this the fact that the age group that you would be teaching are known to be one of the most difficult age groups to teach, and you know that you will really be earning every cent you earn. |
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wood
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 202
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: Re: NT $60.000 mth. Is this good for a B.Ed. with M.A.? |
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ghost wrote: |
Hi folks
This is ghost, a graduate of McGill University, and the University of Windsor (Canada). My credentials include a B.A., B.Ed., M.A. and full two year Post Graduate Certificate in Second Languange Teaching and T.E.S.L.
There is a school in Taichung County - Chia-Yang High School, which has expressed interest in hiring me. They offer
1. Starting salary NT $60.000 a month (NT $63.000 in second year)
The salary package is confusing to read, because it also mentions $1500-$1800 U.S. tax free, and $2500-$2700 tax free Canadian dollars. Which salary is the right one?
2. Shared accommodation or NT $7000 housing allowance if you do not want the shared accommodation.
3. 3 week paid Chinese New Year
4. Basic hours are 8-4 or 10-6 (25 contact hours)
Am also looking at teaching in Saudi Arabia.
Do you think the salary package and conditions are good.
Feedback much appreciated. Thank you. |
The deal sounds pretty good. I'd take it. |
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Ki
Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 475
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Salary positions often have the advantage in that they include paid holidays, paid public holidays, paid typhoon days etc. |
Benefits like these used to make salaried positions sound worthwhile. Now schools are stripping away anything positive in these contracts. Sure, the job in question offers paid holidays but I haven't seen it anywhere else. Paid typhoon days and sick days are gone. Paid public holidays are still there but most happen to fall on the weekend. |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: thanks |
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Thanks for the feedback folks.
It was interesting to read that someone said that teaching High school students was 'difficult.'
People generally say that Chinese students (including Taiwan?) are rather docile and quiet, and that would mean less discipline problems, one assumes?
In any case thanks for the feedback.
It would be interesting to hear from someone who actually works for a High School there.
Thanks, ghost |
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Sheep-Goats
Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 527
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: thanks |
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ghost wrote: |
People generally say that Chinese students (including Taiwan?) are rather docile and quiet, and that would mean less discipline problems, one assumes? |
I'm not in Taiwan yet, but I've taught in the mainland. Chinese students are marginally better behaved than those you're familiar with back home -- but not markedly so. Most people's CHINSES STUDENT SO SO WONDERFULL!!!! stories stem from the five or six kids in the front rank of the class who were actually trying to learn (out of the 60 kids in the room) and, as such, aren't representative of the whole of things so much. Don't expect a totally different experience than back home -- good and bad students mixed together.
BTW, 60,000 seems really low to me with your qualifications -- but then I'm not in the country and I don't know how the other details of your job (holiday, hours in the classroom, etc.) compare. I mean, I feel like I have a good shot at 60,000 and I've got a BA and a CELTA.
Oh, and don't take that shared accomodation -- the extra 7,000 and a bit of a layout on your part will leave you much more comfortable. Many English teachers aren't the sort you'd want to share a room with, for various reasons, and there seems to be a lot of drek in Taiwan. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: thanks |
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ghost wrote: |
It was interesting to read that someone said that teaching High school students was 'difficult.'
People generally say that Chinese students (including Taiwan?) are rather docile and quiet, and that would mean less discipline problems, one assumes? |
This is where the problem lies!
Overall the students are well behaved, but your greatest challenge will be trying to motivate, and keep motivated, a group of 30 to 40 teenagers, most likely of various levels, and most certainly with various levels of interest in English (ranging from a few who can't get enough, through to a handful who despise the subject - and you for teaching it!)
There are ways to deal with this, but it is not easy. You are in for a hard slog, but with this comes a nice return if things go well.
Contrast this with the buxiban scene where the kids are generally happier about being there, classes are generally level based, and class sizes are smaller. |
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