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Bringing my Husband with me? ( non-teaching)

 
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 37
Location: Netherlands

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Bringing my Husband with me? ( non-teaching) Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm in the process of looking for a job in Japan from overseas. Just to clarify my own situation, I'm Canadian with a degree from the UK, I've got a Bed. and Celta, qualified teacher status in the Netherlands and about three years experience.

My husband would like to come with me to Japan - he's a Dutch national and works from home (Internet company) so we could easily adapt to anywhere there is a decent internet connection. I've done a quick search on spousal visas, and it seems possible, but I was wondering if there was anyone else out there in a smilar situation? Was it easy to bring your spouse, and were schools less willing to hire you becasue you have a dependant?

Any advice is welcome.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The terminology in your situation is dependent visa, not spousal. Spousal visas are for people married to Japanese citizens.

On a dependent visa alone, your husband cannot work, but with a simple piece of paperwork filed at the same time as the visa, he can get permission to work, albeit only part-time.

As for you getting hired and bringing your husband, what sort of school were you interested in? high school? elementary school? conversation school (eikaiwa)? university? You will find that some places are open and willing to hire you and provide housing whether you bring along a partner or not, but the housing is usually designed for one, so your husband will have to be the one to adapt.
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 25 May 2004
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Location: Netherlands

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
The terminology in your situation is dependent visa,
On a dependent visa alone, your husband cannot work, but with a simple piece of paperwork filed at the same time as the visa, he can get permission to work, albeit only part-time.

As for you getting hired and bringing your husband, what sort of school were you interested in? hihousing is usually designed for one, so your husband will have to be the one to adapt.


Thanks for the clarification. It wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't able to work; in fact he's not going to look for work as he has freelance programming work/one man company status in Holland, he'll just be continuing what he has already been doing for over a year in another location. But it is nice to know that he could have the option for part-time work (as a Dutch teacher?)

We'd be relocating from Amsterdam, where our house is also pretty small, so the actual space issue won't matter as much as it would for an American, but I could be wrong. Would it be better to look in rural areas? We're not opposed to that idea.

I am not sure about the type of job I'll be looking for. I'm applying to the companies Westgate/Aeon at the moment; the majority of my experience is with business English/ intensive courses in Holland (where the level is pretty high, academic writing, presentations skills, etc), and classes of teenagers (11-16). I am open to a few options, either a highschool, conversation school (eikaiwa)? I'm unsure if I am qualified enough for a University position, although that would be ideal. Which schools are more open to bringing a partner?

Thanks again for your help
Still testing the waters....
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pnksweater



Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 173
Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... most of the housing English Teachers receive is based for single people. Some are shared apartments and others are single occupancy. Either way you're looking at a pretty small space- a six mat room plus a combo bathroom and toilet with a burner and sink in the hall. About 9 square meters. Of course there are exceptions to this and each school and company's policy is different.

My first employer would not allow me to live in company housing as they didn't want to be responsible for a non-employee (my husband). My current employer offered company housing but said there would be some complications. There are only two "family" apartments in the school housing and the waiting list is long. The available apartments are as mentioned previousely- one small bedroom, a bathroom and toilet, with a kitchen area in the hall. Perhaps more rural locations will offer more sizeable apartments or homes.

As for bringing a spouse, I found that conversation schools that hired abroad were the least accomodating. They wouldn't let a spouse live in company housing unless they were also an employee. But if they were and employee there was little chance we would actually work and live in the same area of Japan. Individual mom and pop type schools might be more accomodating.

My husband and I simply found our own housing. We live in a 1DK. Its about 27 square meters. It has one bedroom and a larger kitchen and dining space. It also has a seperate toilet and sink room, laundry room and a bathroom. Rent doesn't come cheep though. We shell out 100,000 yen a month and don't ask about the deposits and key money. This size of housing seems to be pretty common for couples (at least in Tokyo). My married friends live in very simillarly sized and priced accomodations.

The biggest problem is that both of you will need a guarantor for your apartment. Your employer usually will guarante its employees... but spouses... that might cause problems. My old host mother is my guarantor on my apartment, but convincing her to sign for my husband (a foreigner she had never met) took a lot of convincing.

Finally, your spouse will need something to do, work or otherwise. It took my husband two weeks before he went stir crazy. I started to get worried because the house was so clean! If your husband can move his work, great. Get your internet connection set up as soon as possible. Don't worry too much about the part time work thing. There is zero communications between immigration and taxes. Part time qualifies as something like 25-30 hours in Japan. Regardless, no will be checking to make sure he doesn't go over the limit.
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Doglover



Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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Location: Kansai

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dreaming_saturn wrote:
[ I am open to a few options, either a highschool, conversation school (eikaiwa)? I'm unsure if I am qualified enough for a University position, although that would be ideal. Which schools are more open to bringing a partner?

Thanks again for your help
Still testing the waters....


Sorry to say, you probably wouldnt be given consideration for university jobs unless you had some in-Japan teaching experience and a minimum of a Masters degree is preferred for part time positions. About 60-70% of jobs here now advertise specifically asking for a Masters degree and its a buyers market for jobs.

Those without Masters usually know someone, get an introduction or just get lucky with a part time job somewhere. CELTA etc carry very little weight in the college teaching sector.

You would still need someone to sponsor your work visa and universities dont usually sponsor part timers. Somewhere like one of the big chain schools would be best, and if you can not find somewhere to sponsor you, you may consider a gaijin hostel, which is rented lodgings with private single and double rooms and shared kitchen and living facilities. There is no key money, and residents live there up to 6 months or more, and you simply pay by the week or month. Osaka has a couple of such hostels but i dont know about Tokyo. Key money to rent your own place is expensive and again you have the issue of guarantors. I do see some places apart from employers that actually will be a guarantor, but I guess you have to pay a small fee.

There is very little demand for teaching Dutch but your husband may pick up some translation work if he speaks English, though most companies needing Dutch speakers (translating documents etc for Japanese companies doing business with Holland etc) would prefer some spoken Japanese skills as well.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We'd be relocating from Amsterdam, where our house is also pretty small, so the actual space issue won't matter as much as it would for an American, but I could be wrong. Would it be better to look in rural areas?

In my experience, finding a house in the city is pretty difficult and certainly expensive. You should set your sights more on apartments. Can't speak for the country, but in general terms I've heard that houses are more available there.

You are not qualified to teach in Japanese mainstream schools until you have about a year of other teaching experience here. The exceptions are working as an ALT from the JET programme, or through dispatch agencies or the boards of education. Not really sure if you are into being an ALT, especially with such low level kids here. Quite a difference from what you've been doing.

If you are certified as a teacher, as you wrote, you could look at international schools. That's a prerequisite for getting hired through them.

Can't really tell you which schools are more agreeable to couples coming over, and in your situation, where your husband is likely not going to be teaching, that only makes the equation more difficult to answer. Just hunt and see.
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nawlinsgurl



Joined: 01 May 2004
Posts: 363
Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to Japan alone and then my husband came over after he finished his duty with the US military abroad. I was the only person bringing a paycheck home for a while until he could find a job, and he has no degree. Right now he is working part-time on a dependent visa and also has tons of privates and a security job...which pays tons. In my opinion, it is very easy for your husband to find work, especially with computers or teaching privates. I definitly recommend you both come together, because it is the best way to experience Japan, instead of moping around b/c you miss your hubby (like I did when I first got here). Good luck!! Very Happy
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