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dmb
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| Centres are given guidelines but they are free to chose the content. There is alot to cover in a CELTA. So centres have to prioritise. with regard to costs. Centres have diffreent prices. I know that here in Istanbul ITI is cheaper than the BC.(I can't remember the exact prices but I could easily find out.) |
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ash
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:19 am Post subject: CELTA prices |
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Hey DMB,
if its not a hassle, I'd be interested to find out what it costs in Turkey. I'm eager to do it, but the cost is definitely a factor influencing when/where etc. The main reason I chose the diploma instead of CELTA this year is that the diploma doesn't have to be payed for until I am earning somewhere above 25k via the Australian tax system. And that won't be this year 
Dumb logic really as I would've earnt enough to pay for it if I wasn't a full time student. But then I wouldn't be able to work in Australian high schools.
Tell me, is there much opportunity for 'professional development' for you lot? For example, would it be impossible to do CELTA (or in your case DELTA) whilst working as a teacher over there? |
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molly farquharson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| I think ITI offers a part-time way to do the certificate. As far as other places to get certificates in Istanbul, if you do a search on tefl.com which course? you can find information about the 4 that are offered here. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Next time I am down ITI I will get a list of the courses and costs for the next year. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Actually they were trying to organise an intensive course for July but there wasn't enough interest so it's not going ahead. |
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ash
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:05 am Post subject: Thanks! |
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| Thank you all for this info! Very helpful. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Entrailicus"]ITI is definitely doing a CELTA at the moment, and will no doubt do another one when the level of demand makes it financially worthwhile.
Contact details and website are as follows:
www.iti-istanbul.com
That website is crap. It is so out of date that at least one of the ''team'' doesn`t live in Turkey anymore. |
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ash
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: website |
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oh well, at least it gives those of us who are over the other side of the world some idea of what's available.
i was wondering when you were going to put in your TLY.5 worth, 31.  |
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ash
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:08 am Post subject: prices |
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by the way, looks like it's 900 UK pounds at ITI, unless it's gone up. Definitely cheaper than doing it in Brisbane: UK2,683!
I've just found a "weekend" course in TEFL that is run by i-to-i.
http://www.cactustefl.com/tefl/course.php?course_id=1927
Obviously no where near as comprehensive as CELTA (looks a bit pathetic in comparison), but maybe some employers would accept this if it was coupled with an education diploma in ESL/LOTE. |
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molly farquharson
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| i think i-to- i is pretty weak, judging by a few teachers we have had with it. However, if you already have training in education, it would be ok. Actually my understanding is that if you have a degree in education the Min of Ed will accept it for a work permit without the TEFL cert. |
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31
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:26 am Post subject: Re: prices |
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| ash wrote: |
by the way, looks like it's 900 UK pounds at ITI, unless it's gone up. Definitely cheaper than doing it in Brisbane: UK2,683!
I've just found a "weekend" course in TEFL that is run by i-to-i.
http://www.cactustefl.com/tefl/course.php?course_id=1927
Obviously no where near as comprehensive as CELTA (looks a bit pathetic in comparison), but maybe some employers would accept this if it was coupled with an education diploma in ESL/LOTE. |
1. Native speaker=TEFL job
2. Any employer who accepts a ''weekend course'' won`t give a toss whether you have it or if it is real.
3. No employer is going to check whether it is real or not, or care whether you put in the full weekend or not. Hey why not do an internet course with Ding Dong TEFL Academy, or get certified as our American allies say by the TEFL bus?
4. Work permits. Assuming that you get a job that can be bothered to get you one, the clerks at the Ministry of Education don`t have the time, resources, level of English or motivation to check whether the real and fake degrees, certificates, diplomas, swimming certificates that come with the work permit applications. If your employer submits the right applications with reasonable looking ''qualifications'' you will get a work permit.
5 a weekend course, why not look at Internet courses, the TEFL bus, fake degrees, Nigerian bank account scams, ostrich farming and opening your own language school in Istanbul without any capital.
6. Happy tefling. |
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justme
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I went to an ostrich farm once. Actually, it was an emu farm but close enough. Emu and ostrich meat are good-- you just have to cook it in a lot of fat becasue it's so lean. There are several ostrich and emu farms around Eugene, and sometimes one escapes and runs amok on the freeway. People are afraid to report it because they aren't sure if it's real or something they did in the 60's.
Is the British Council the only place to do a DELTA in Ist? |
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31
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| ITI does the DELTA part time. Don`t be put off by their website. There often seems to be a mix up and people often assume that it is run by BC staff. The director and many of the ITI ''team'' used to work for the BC in the good old days and has a dossy time just teacher training. When the big BC reorganisation happened all the teacher trainers had to go back in the classroom to earn their keep. Of course once teflers have reached the nirvana of getting out of the classroom they couldn`t go back so they all left and went their own ways. ITI was set up and the BC employed one teacher trainer and a load of classroom teflers. |
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31
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Entrailicus wrote: |
31 gave a lot of info earlier in this thread, and unfortunately (for the profession) he's not a million miles off.
1. Native speaker=TEFL job
This rings true, but if you're qualified and have experience, you'll get a better job. I know of many people who've turned up on doorsteps and been given a job there and then. If you get a job this way, it's probably going to be a nightmare.
Probably yes but then most TEFL jobs are crap anyway. The so-called good employers capitalise on the fact that they are supposedly good and offer lower wages and often longer hours. We could all go and get jobs at Bilkent and take our certs/diplomas/degrees/MAs or whatever along to the interview and talk bollox about task based learning etc. We would get the job and then spend 8-9 hours a day teaching typical private uni students a grammar-vocab based course with loads of grammar gap fill texts, work in a Prep dept. that is run on fear and gossip, have next to no chance of promotion and earn about the same as your average lang. school salary. Bell schools, CFBT, Eurocentres. BC all do the same.
I would rather work in a lang. school.
2. Any employer who accepts a ''weekend course'' won`t give a toss whether you have it or if it is real.
Ergo, expect to be treated like crap if you accept a job from such an employer. City of London College springs to mind. Treated like crap is the lot of most teflers. Why pay for a weekend course?
3. No employer is going to check whether it is real or not, or care whether you put in the full weekend or not. Hey why not do an internet course with Ding Dong TEFL Academy, or get certified as our American allies say by the TEFL bus?
A lot of employers will, especially if the qualification comes from an unrecognised source.
No, I don`t agree with you here. I have been in this game for almost as long as dmb and NOBODY has ever checked my qualifications. By checking I mean contacting the awarding bodies or paying an organisation to do that. There are organisations in the UK that check qualifications for ten pounds a time. I worked for the BC, not in Turkey on a summer course-all they wanted was a faxed copy of my CTEFLA-Tipex and access to a photocopier is all it would take.
These online scams work like this. Set up a virtual tefl teacher training place with good website. Newbies with no qualifications or unrelated ones pay a few hundred pounds, do an essay or a few easy online things and get a jazzy looking cert. They also get a guaranteed reference and if any employer checks -they confirm that person x is qualified. But the con works both ways-employers no that their teachers often aren`t qualified but as long as the students don`t find out and the teachers work cheap-they are happy. If there is a problem you can sack the teachers for not having real qualifications, or in June when student nos. are low.
4. Work permits. Assuming that you get a job that can be bothered to get you one, the clerks at the Ministry of Education don`t have the time, resources, level of English or motivation to check whether the real and fake degrees, certificates, diplomas, swimming certificates that come with the work permit applications. If your employer submits the right applications with reasonable looking ''qualifications'' you will get a work permit.
Work permits are a nightmare for all concerned. There is, of course a viscious circle; language schools don't want to go through the lengthy and laborious process of get the documentation for someone who's going to up and leave in a relatively short period of time. Why should they? Some people enjoy their quarterly visits to Bulgaria. I ain't one of them.
Have to disagree here. It is a chicken and egg situation. The teachers don`t stay long often because of the pay and conditions, hourly pay etc. so the employer doesn`t get them work permits or treat them well because they don`t stay long.
5 a weekend course, why not look at Internet courses, the TEFL bus, fake degrees, Nigerian bank account scams, ostrich farming and opening your own language school in Istanbul without any capital.
A weekend course is going to be about as much use to you in aiding you to become a teacher as the email that just arrived in my inbox from 'Augustus Ngoki' from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Zimbabwe promising me $28,000,000 if I hand over my bank details (mmmm, tempted), i.e. not a right lot. |
Yeah -a piece of paper that looks like a certificate with some gold writing, sth in Latin-welcome to TEFL |
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ash
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:01 am Post subject: Thats about the size of it! |
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Now that I know the diploma is enough for the min of ed, I'm quite happy. Terrible to think that someone out there is getting sucked into paying UK600 for a weekend course thats worth as much as one of those lamo emails from old matey rip-me-off internet scam man. |
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