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dmb
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 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: Most difficult for Turkish speakers |
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Let's give info to newbies who are coming to Turkey.
Old hands, what do you find are the most difficult things to teach(or for students to acquire)(grammatically)
My top three
1) articles
2) present perfect aspect
3) prepositions |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| After the above 3, phrasal verbs, modals of ability and possibility (especially contrasting the meaning in present and past tense), relative clauses, and, for lower levels, present progressive vs. simple present. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| I've never had a problem with the perfect aspects |
Continuous vs present? In the presentation stage I think students get it, but actually using it. That's a different thing. |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:31 am Post subject: |
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I think it's interesting that they can pronounce vowel clusters that occur in Turkish on the sentence-level, but not in English at the beginning of the word.
I love the moment in an elementary class when a girl says 'I like skiing' then realizes what it sounded like...
On the grand scale of importance, articles really fall pretty low, so I don't worry about it much unless they're preparing for some kind of test. I don't get too upset about prepositions either, except for the ones that affect meaning. And even if you get them producing and understanding noun and adjective clauses, getting them to use them appropriately (that is, not overusing them) is really hard.
This year, for writing, we had a terrible time with transition words. There are 300 prep students who just can't accept that 'on the other hand' doesn't mean 'also'.... |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Don't ask me for the source of this info, as I can't remember.
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Is it from Cobuild at Aston university. They have a list of tense frequency usage. �'ll try and look for it later |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Most difficult for Turkish speakers |
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| dmb wrote: |
Let's give info to newbies who are coming to Turkey.
Old hands, what do you find are the most difficult things to teach(or for students to acquire)(grammatically)
My top three
1) articles
2) present perfect aspect
3) prepositions |
Never had a problem with perfect tenses, but using the right pronouns in reported speech CHRIST.
(Actualy I have a student who I have constantly had ro send out of the class for translating for students, or trying to explain grammer points to other students in Turkish, we were doing reported speech and she decided she wanted to explain it to everone in Turkish, so I let her but gave her the example of a convesation between my 2 good friends 'Ben' and 'Kim', as you can imagine she had to concede and allow me to do my job in the end ) |
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