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silent-noise
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 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: working visa and naturalization |
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i was originally born in hong kong...moved to canada when i was 3, and i'm currently a canadian citizen....i've only gone back to hong kong once (for vacation)....am i automatically legal to work in hong kong (without a work visa) because i was born there? or would i have to reapply for citizenship? I don't think i ever renewed my hong kong passport...
just wondering, as it would be nice to have more than just teaching opportunities available to me... |
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Roger
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| We are not an immigrants' advisory board. |
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shmeagain
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Bad day at the office Rog?
Silent-noise - check with the Imm. Dept www.immd.gov.hk
If I was part of the "we" of this forum Roger mentions I would say you could've googled it.
If I wasn't, I would say - was that so difficult helping someone else out?
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once again
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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I suggest you contact the most local China immigration office to you as well. They may well have had similar requests and can deal with it. It is possible you have a very good chance of being granted residency here, but my guess is that you may have to fill out paperwork and prove things first.
But Roger, what on earth was that comment for? Why should this question be any different to the multitude of questions about visas, and for that matter, any of the questions that get asked here? I notice that you answer many questions about accomodation or shops, but I can't for the life of me find anywhere that states this is an accomodation or shopping forum. |
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silent-noise
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for the info once and shmea...i'll follow up with the resources you guys provided....as i'm interested in seeing what other jobs are out there that require a native english speaker... |
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Zero Hero
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If you were born in HK then you do indeed have an automatic right to reside and work here. Whether or not you will attract employment is a different matter, however. 'Once Again' has it about right, it is no longer what it used to be. For although native speakers are still required in every field from arbitration to zoology, they are typically expected to be fully conversational in both Cantonese and Mandarin, and, increasingly, in Japanese and/or Korean.
I had to pop into the twin towers in Wan Chai a few days ago and I got talking to some of their security guards there who I have not seen for a year. Most, if not all, are Nepalese and are ex-British army (Ghurkas, the real deal, hard as coffin nails). They all speak Nepalese, English, Cantonese, and Mandarin to varying degrees and many are fully fluent in all four. These are 'just' security guards.
'Roger', actually, I thought this was an "immigrants' advisory board", at least of sorts. Also, regardless of the level of semantic gymnastics you are comfortable performing, surely someone returning to their place of birth could not be classified as an immigrant? |
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Roger
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Korean.
'Roger', actually, I thought this was an "immigrants' advisory board", at least of sorts. Also, regardless of the level of semantic gymnastics you are comfortable performing, surely someone returning to their place of birth could not be classified as an immigrant? |
Yes, I did have a "bad day" - I was in bloody arrogant, squeaky-clean shoppyland aka Hong Kong on the day of my posting.
I do believe if someone secured a Canadian passport for himself he is an IMMIGRANT from the moment he is trying to get back to where he originally came from. "Remigrant"?
I believe, A Hongkonger gets a lot more done for him than others do - he gets a foreign passport too easily (let me stress "too", okay?), and he can return to Hong KOng any time and enjoy privileges over his compatriots from behind the barbed wires at Lowu and Shataukok. His origin defines him in racial terms which opened, and in some cases still opens, gates to other jurisdictions that are far more discerning in choosing immigrants from other countries than they were or still are when the applicants hail from CHinese-Hong Kong.
There are guys out there that own 4 or even 5 different passports.
I believe the relevant authorities have publicised the relevant facts and legal protection for ethnic Chinese Hongkongers (others are treated differently) loudly and voluminously over the years so that not a single ex-Hongkonger could possibly say he never heard of his privileges if he were to return.
Why did I have a "bad day" last time around? HK immigration, that's the answer. At the Wenjindu/Man Kam To border. Not for the first time, although I am willing to admit such incidents have become far less numerous over the last few years than they used to be.
But HK Immigration is a collection of racist pigs, and I do believe, this only reflects the mindset of too many local people. There, that was my rant! |
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once again
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| I believe, A Hongkonger gets a lot more done for him than others do - he gets a foreign passport too easily (let me stress "too", okay?), and he can return to Hong KOng any time and enjoy privileges over his compatriots from behind the barbed wires at Lowu and Shataukok |
I guess the same could be said for many of the other multi passport holders over the world. Some passports are more valid/accepted than others as far as the immigration service is concerned. Tell me a country where this is not true? In HK I can never be a real HK citizen because I am not ethnic Chinese. Just guessing here, but isn't the same true in the mainland? You pass over the border and you complain every time that you are not allowed the privileges of others.
Go to any European country and you will find they wave European passport holders through without a second glance and question everyone else. The US is now seeking to require biometric passports to enter...even though it has no plans to issue its own citizens with them.
Everywhere allows its own residents and citizens more rights and freedoms than it does to visitors.
If you feel as a non resident of HK you should be accorded the same privileges as a resident, take it up with the relevant authorities. Just as the next time I find myself not treated the same as a US citizen I will do when I next visit the States.
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once again
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His origin defines him in racial terms which opened, and in some cases still opens, gates to other jurisdictions that are far more discerning in choosing immigrants from other countries than they were or still are when the applicants hail from CHinese-Hong Kong.
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Not meaning to be rude here Roger, but I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. I thought I did, but on reading I am not so sure. Could you re-phrase and post again?
Regards,
Once Again. |
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Roger
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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His origin defines him in racial terms which opened, and in some cases still opens, gates to other jurisdictions that are far more discerning in choosing immigrants from other countries than they were or still are when the applicants hail from CHinese-Hong Kong.
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Not meaning to be rude here Roger, but I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. I thought I did, but on reading I am not so sure. Could you re-phrase and post again?
Regards,
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The OP says he was born in HK and immigrated to Canada at age 3; I infer from this that he considers himself a native (Chinese) Hongkonger by birth though he is now a Canadian for whom HK is foreign territory.
In reply to your previous clarification - which I do not wish to challenge - my beef is not so much (a little, yes - considering that I occasionally miss my bus at the Lok Ma Chau checkpoint and have to wait up to half an hour for the next to arrive - it would be a lot more complicated if I missed a through bus though!) with the segregation at the borders; rather I think a Hongkonger turned canadian is aware of his own rights in HK and doesn't really need to ask foreign residents in HK about his status with HK ID.
And yes, others have collected a variety of different citizenships too, but no one has been as adept at this game than the Hongkongers once were; it could be said it is incumbent upon them to show a little respect to their host countries for granting them citizenship rights. where I come from, citizenship rights come with duties. The OP might be well-advised to consider Canada his home country now and Hong KOng a foreign territory. If he has such queries then why not ask at the Chinese embassy just like any foreign national does? |
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hanuman
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Roger,
have u ever considered trying yoga? |
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bubblebubble
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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Location: Hong Kong/Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: working in hong kong |
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| you are born in HK, so all you need to do is come to HK and get your HKID card. then, you can work in HK without much problem. |
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