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Sage



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to work in a small/large town or city in Northern Japan doing ALT work. (So long as I have broadband internet)

Do you have any suggestions for me?
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Big John Stud



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sage wrote:
I'd like to work in a small/large town or city in Northern Japan doing ALT work. (So long as I have broadband internet)

Do you have any suggestions for me?


Since you have a specific region you want to work in talk to the BOE of cities in the area. Also find out what agancies are providing ALTs to those cities and apply.
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Big John Stud



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Any company that avoids collective bargaining is one to be avoided itself.

meowcarrot wrote:
They can't avoid us for much longer.

What are you going to do? Break down the door that they close to avoid you?


Thanks Glenski! You make sense! I have a bad feeling about Interac. I am working for a good company and so I am going to stay where I am at for now.
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Been There



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big John Stud wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Any company that avoids collective bargaining is one to be avoided itself.

meowcarrot wrote:
They can't avoid us for much longer.

What are you going to do? Break down the door that they close to avoid you?


Thanks Glenski! You make sense! I have a bad feeling about Interac. I am working for a good company and so I am going to stay where I am at for now.


I wasn't aware that companies did collective bargaining on the weekends.

Have you actually seen the Interac Union website? According to them, they picketed the Interac offices in Tokyo on a Saturday.

I know that some businesses do things on weekends, but wouldn't the picketing have been more effective if it had been done on a weekday?

Makes we wonder exactly how the union approached Interac for collective bargaining---did they leave phone messages? Send telegrams? Emails?

I always thought you were supposed to meet up with the persons you want to negotiate with, face to face---I've always found negotiation to be much more effective that way.

I am wondering if the Unions have even bothered to try to meet up with any Interac officials yet? If they haven't moved, they should still be on the second floor of the building you guys were picketing.


Oh, and make sure you go on a weekday--the office tends to be closed on weekends.
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Iwantmyrightsnow



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I have seen in Japan, demands for negotiations are usually sent by fax with follow-up registered letters.

I imagine the saturday demo was just a low level warning, not so unusual here. There would have been people in the offfice and it would have been embarassing for them as other tennants tend to complain.
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nawlinsgurl



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Interac is worse than Nova? Or on the same level?
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meowcarrot



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Any company that avoids collective bargaining is one to be avoided itself.

meowcarrot wrote:
They can't avoid us for much longer.

What are you going to do? Break down the door that they close to avoid you?

No, file for arbitration. But your idea does sound like fun.

Been There wrote:

I wasn't aware that companies did collective bargaining on the weekends.

We went on Friday evening for collective bargaining.

Been There wrote:

Have you actually seen the Interac Union website? According to them, they picketed the Interac offices in Tokyo on a Saturday.

I know that some businesses do things on weekends, but wouldn't the picketing have been more effective if it had been done on a weekday?

Interac does in fact do 'things' on the weekends. Iwantmyrightsnow is correct about the intention of the demonstration. To clarify, the appointment for collective bargaining was Friday and the demonstration was Saturday.

Been There wrote:

Makes we wonder exactly how the union approached Interac for collective bargaining---did they leave phone messages? Send telegrams? Emails?

Registered mail

Been There wrote:

I always thought you were supposed to meet up with the persons you want to negotiate with, face to face---I've always found negotiation to be much more effective that way.

So do we, and we sincerely wish that Interac would willingly meet up with us face to face. They are avoiding us, not the other way around.

Been There wrote:

I am wondering if the Unions have even bothered to try to meet up with any Interac officials yet? If they haven't moved, they should still be on the second floor of the building you guys were picketing.

Yes. We have been to Fujibo Building a number of times. Initially we went for declare the branch to them, they were there. Since we have been back for appointments made with them to collectively bargain and they have avoided us.

Been There wrote:

Oh, and make sure you go on a weekday--the office tends to be closed on weekends.

Our appointments for collective bargaining are always weekdays. Demonstrations have in the past been on weekends when more people can attend. Interac states that they have Japanese classes starting at 10am on Saturday posted on their website, so we can only assume that they will hold the classes and the office will be open.
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wangtesol



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:54 am    Post subject: civil disobedience Reply with quote

Now that Glenski has touched on the issue of civil disobedience ("breaking down the door"), I think non-violent civil disobedience does have a place when taking action against an unjust employer.

But outsourcing companies are very weak and vulnerable mind you, and I think one could also approach Interac's connections with the Mormon Church and the TESOL bigwigs in the US before reaching that point, but it is an option to consider.

Legally, any worker who is not a Japanese national is a migrant worker in Japan and the Solidarity Network with Migrant Workers http://www.jca.apc.org/migrant-net/English/English.html has asked the Japanese government to ratify the International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families which includes such basic rights as health care and adherence to labor law which Interac seems to have some problems with.

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borg



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking from experience, Interac are not the best employers but they are really not all that bad either. I used to manage one of their branches and can safely say that most of the teachers were reasonably happy and also signed on for another year. You may find better ALT jobs but if not I think you'll be happy enough working for Interac as they mostly just leave you to it (especially outside of Tokyo).
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Been There



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: NOW you've done it. Reply with quote

borg wrote:
Speaking from experience, Interac are not the best employers but they are really not all that bad either. I used to manage one of their branches and can safely say that most of the teachers were reasonably happy and also signed on for another year. You may find better ALT jobs but if not I think you'll be happy enough working for Interac as they mostly just leave you to it (especially outside of Tokyo).


Uh-oh. Now you've gone and done it.

For making such middle-of-the-road remarks, you will probably henceforth be branded as an Interac-lover but the whacko Anti-Interac Nazi fringe. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

Seriously, you aren't saying anything that I haven't been saying for years--Interac--not good, but not so bad either. They may not have paid on time, but they did pay well as compared to other companies in the same genre.

Of course, that was years ago. Your milage may vary nowadays.
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yamanote senbei



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

borg wrote:
I used to manage one of their branches and can safely say that most of the teachers were reasonably happy and also signed on for another year.


Are Interac managers enrolled in Shakai Hoken and Rosai Hoken or are they getting screwed just like the teachers are?
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wangtesol



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: interac manager Reply with quote

How would an Interac manager objectively know if the employees are happy? As the ALT system works, it is in the interest of employees to lie to their managers and tell them that things are fine and suppress any problems. How can things be fine when even the very contract between the school board and the company is illegal (gizo haken)? The ALT companies themselves create even more systemic problems by doing this.

JET surveys usually show that a significant portion of ALTs face some sort of harassment at the workplace. How can an ALT trust her company to deal with a board of education with harassment issues if it has no respect for the law in the first place and signs illegal contracts?


Also, if Interac informed employees of their rights by posting the Labor Standards Law in their offices as they are legally required to do so, then people would know more about their rights and possibly more complaints would emerge. Perhaps commenting that most were happy is more of a reflection of how little employees knew about their legal rights at the time when you were a manager compared to now. Perhpas keeping people ignorant of their rights is considered successful managing.

Here is a link to Japan's Labor Standards Law
http://www.jil.go.jp/english/laborinfo/library/documents/llj_law1.pdf

By the way, a foreign teachers union is being established in South Korea.
http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/story/0,,1512123,00.html
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meowcarrot



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interac has agreed to arbitration as requested by the Japanese government, so we will be cancelling our July 2nd leafletting.

If you want more information about us and our union, please check our (newly updated! yay!) website at:

http://www.interacunion.org
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yamanote senbei



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations. You might want to ask the Interac negotiators if they themselves are enrolled in Shakai Hoken and Rosai Hoken, and if they are illegally outsourced just like their teachers.
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borg



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did I know that teachers were unhappy or had problems when I was their manager? Are you kidding? They certainly didn't hold back. They called me (in some cases often), they came into the office and told me, and sometimes they raised problems at meetings. I'm sure they didn't view me as some sort of intimidating figure. I went out drinking with most of them at one stage or another and was friends with some of them. Bear in mind too, that teachers are also not perfect, one or two were incompetent and unpopular even among the other teachers. As a manager, you go out to all the schools and you know all the teachers and that gives you a broader perspective than an individual teacher usually has. Most of the problems didn't involve Interac itself (the pay was delayed once though, including my pay) but were personality clashes or teaching style clashes between the Japanese teachers and the AETs. I'm simply telling you about my experience. I'm not attacking anyone! As for the health insurance etc, I'm fairly sure from memory that it was outsourced. Good luck with arbitration.
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