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naoshika
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
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Location: Australia
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 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: Certificate IV in TESOL, or TESOL certificate? |
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Oh it's so difficult.
The person trying to sell me the Cert IV is saying that many schools (he gave NOVA as an example) pay better to teachers with a Cert IV in TESOL, but pay the standard rate for other TESOL certificate holders. And he also said if I ever wanted to teach in Australia, the GLOBAL TESOL won't be recognised at all (I think he means by a public institution).
And the person trying to sell me the TESOL from GLOBAL TESOL is telling me Cert IV is designed for people who want to stay in Australia and teach at a public institution (who should also have a BEd), and is not recognised as much overseas.
Now... who's lying? |
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PAULH
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Certificate IV in TESOL, or TESOL certificate? |
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Oh it's so difficult.
The person trying to sell me the Cert IV is saying that many schools (he gave NOVA as an example) pay better to teachers with a Cert IV in TESOL, but pay the standard rate for other TESOL certificate holders. And he also said if I ever wanted to teach in Australia, the GLOBAL TESOL won't be recognised at all (I think he means by a public institution).
And the person trying to sell me the TESOL from GLOBAL TESOL is telling me Cert IV is designed for people who want to stay in Australia and teach at a public institution (who should also have a BEd), and is not recognised as much overseas.
Now... who's lying? |
Well I can tell you for a start hes lying about NOVA. They will pay you an extra 5,000 yen a month which is about 6 beers at the Pig and Whistle if you have a masters degree. No extra salary that i know of for a forty hour TESOL certificate.
NOt sure what certificate you are talking about but i believe the one in Canada is online, part time and there is no teaching practicum. Pay your money and your dinky diploma. they may even guarantee you a job in one of their affiliate schools in Korea or China.
When you say recognised, recognised by WHO? Who accredits the accreditors of these things and who says that this diploma is actually worth anything, and can guarantee a minimum level of quality? What are you actually buying? |
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naoshika
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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When you say recognised, recognised by WHO? Who accredits the accreditors of these things and who says that this diploma is actually worth anything, and can guarantee a minimum level of quality? What are you actually buying?
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Recognised by the people who hire you of course! I don't care what body of "accreditors" accredits the courses, as long as it means something to my employer.
So, you're saying nowhere in Japan would pay more or be more likely to hire somebody with either a Certificate IV in TESOL, or a TESOL certificate from GOLBAL TESOL? Both no good huh? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| naoshika wrote: |
[Recognised by the people who hire you of course! I don't care what body of "accreditors" accredits the courses, as long as it means something to my employer.
So, you're saying nowhere in Japan would pay more or be more likely to hire somebody with either a Certificate IV in TESOL, or a TESOL certificate from GOLBAL TESOL? Both no good huh? |
I only mentioned that because I have seen certificate courses in the states that are recognised by such and such, but having such recognition doesnt carry much weight as the accreditors are not officially recognised by government or state authorities.
I have lived in Japan a long time and I myself have never heard of Certificate IV in TESOL and only recently of Global TESOL, have no idea what it means or the body of knowledge it counts as teachers having learnt. In Japan you only need a university degree to get a work visa and many teachers, including trainers and school owners do not have ESL certification. In most places you are not paid any extra for having a TESL certificate. Its nice to have when you are starting out, but most people here will have never heard of it- how much of what you learn will apply to a mono-lingual, mono cultural teaching situation like Japan for example?
People here are more interested in your previous teaching experience, your degree (for the visa), than what type of paper certification you might hold.
If you have never taught English before, studying something is better than nothing, and you will have learnt a litttle theory, learn a few basic teaching techniques, but overall I dont think a 40 hour course with no teaching practicum will make a lot of difference in getting a job here.
Lastly big schools here have their own teaching methodology, own text books and they train teachers in their use, they often dont like prima donnas with an ESL certificate coming in and trying to re-write the curriculum from the ground up or "tweaking" the system. learn to work within the system you are given and you will be fine, but professing knowledge over and above what the schools require of you may make you overqualified as well.
There are some schools that ask for TESL certification and formal training e.g. as they ask you to plan classes and develop teaching materials, so an ESL cert may be fine, but I wouldnt attach that much importance to what course you go through as it wont necessarily be reflected in your paycheck. Some better paying jobs do ask for certs etc but usually you need solid teaching experience and connections as well.
My personal feeling is that you get what you pay for and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Most people starting out dont want to spend $2000 on a CELTA course and opt for a one week course for as little as $500 which really only scratches the surface. I dont think you can really call yourself a "professional" ESL teacher after only one or two weeks of instruction on an online course.
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PAULH
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naoshika
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks bro.
Yeah, the question was pretty simple hey. And I do have prior teaching experience in Japan, and a degree, I was just asking if there was a difference between the 2 courses mentioned (if was to do one at all).
I'll follow that link. |
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