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innerm
Joined: 12 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: D.O.S |
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D.O.S. just comes across as a fancy title as far as I am concerned. How much more do they usually get paid? I have never see any positions adverttsed with great salaries for a D.O.S.
I have been teaching in China for 4 years and make a lot more than most D.O.S. seem to be paid. and I am still considered as only a teacher. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:09 am Post subject: Re: D.O.S |
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| innerm wrote: |
D.O.S. just comes across as a fancy title as far as I am concerned. How much more do they usually get paid? I have never see any positions adverttsed with great salaries for a D.O.S.
I have been teaching in China for 4 years and make a lot more than most D.O.S. seem to be paid. and I am still considered as only a teacher. |
Same here. I was acting DOS for an EF English First school in Wuhan, Hubei Province, for just under a year. In my next contract with the school I am with now, I will be making more than DOUBLE what I was making back then and I am still an ordinary teacher here with no management responsibilities of any kind. So who needs to be a DOS, anyway? |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: D.O.S |
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Guys, it�s supposed to be a challenging position, especially in the EF English First organization in China. DOS position is academically the highest position in the school, however there is �someone� above and always above in the same school to �run the DOS�s academics�, especially in the EF English First organization in China. Sorry to turn this to EF nonsense, though to stay on the topic I shall say that it usually pays a bit more. Having said that and I have to go back to EF, their �new EF Contracts� as of April 2004 give the EF teachers their rights to get a 10 % raise on yearly bases and the EF DOSs their rights to possibly resign their Contracts �without that 10 % raise listed� anywhere. Anyway, �it is up to the employer with regards to their DOS�s raise�. Suppose an EF teacher works with the EF English First in China (might have to be with the same center) for three or four years (nobody does and has worked with any center for that long) the teacher might get fairly close to the DOS�s salary then.
By the way, I was an EF Huizhou�s DOS for one year and almost four months. And I got that 10% raise, even though I got dismissed too. I would not recommend that job for anyone in the same organization in China as it stands now.
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:51 am Post subject: Re: D.O.S |
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| englishgibson wrote: |
| Guys, it�s supposed to be a challenging position, especially in the EF English First organization in China. |
You're damned right, it's challenging, especially when you have a center manager (CM) who goes behind your back and acts as if he can run the place all by himself. Yes, I had such a CM running that school; in fact, he now runs TWO of them, since I understand he is an investor in the second school, to which he has moved his office, incidentally.
| englishgibson wrote: |
| [The] DOS position is academically the highest position in the school, however there is �someone� above and always above in the same school to �run the DOS�s academics�, especially in the EF English First organization in China. |
In my case, he was very much the string-puller and he wanted me to dance to his tune all the time - very frustrating.
| englishgibson wrote: |
| Sorry to turn this to EF nonsense, though to stay on the topic I shall say that it usually pays a bit more. |
"A bit" is right. When I first started at EF as an "ordinary" grunt, the DOS's salary was 9,000 RMB per month outside of Beijing and Shanghai, but I was, for 11 months, "only" an acting DOS at 7,500 RMB per month, plus a 1,000 RMB per month living allowance. (I suppose the allowance was quite generous, admittedly.)
| englishgibson wrote: |
| Having said that and I have to go back to EF, their �new EF Contracts� as of April 2004 give the EF teachers their rights to get a 10 % raise on [a] yearly [basis] and the EF DOSs their rights to possibly resign their Contracts �without that 10 % raise listed� anywhere. Anyway, �it is up to the employer with regards to their DOS�s raise�. Suppose an EF teacher works with the EF English First in China (might have to be with the same center) for three or four years (nobody does and has worked with any center for that long) the teacher might get fairly close to the DOS�s salary then. |
Based on the 10 percent salary increase per year, just use the formula D = T x (1.1)^N, where D = DOS salary, T = current (teacher's) salary and ^N = raised to the power N, where N is the number of years (either complete or incomplete) you would have to be in an EF school before you reached the DOS's salary - quite simple, really!
Having left the EF school in Hankou, Wuhan, in October 2003, I am glad to say that I now earn in excess of the aforementioned DOS's salary, which I quoted earlier, yet I am just an "ordinary" teacher with no extra responsibilities in my current school. (Has that salary gone up for someone in their first EF DOS job, by the way?)
| englishgibson wrote: |
| By the way, I was an EF Huizhou�s DOS for one year and almost four months. And I got that 10% raise, even though I got dismissed too. I would not recommend that job for anyone in the same organization in China as it stands now. |
I would not touch EF (in China, at least) with a bargepole any more, either. It does not have anything to offer me, even if, a little while back, the same center manager asked me if I was at all interested in working at the school again at the weekend on a part-time basis teaching the youngsters in view of my two years' experience there. I did not even bother to reply, as I felt that the "flattery" used to describe my experience was utterly insincere. I think that CM must have thought I was somehow desperate for money! |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:26 am Post subject: Re: D.O.S |
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[quote="Chris_Crossley"]
| englishgibson wrote: |
| Guys, it’s supposed to be a challenging position, especially in the EF English First organization in China. |
You're damned right, it's challenging, especially when you have a center manager (CM) who goes behind your back and acts as if he can run the place all by himself. Yes, I had such a CM running that school; in fact, he now runs TWO of them, since I understand he is an investor in the second school, to which he has moved his office, incidentally.
| englishgibson wrote: |
| [The] DOS position is academically the highest position in the school, however there is “someone” above and always above in the same school to “run the DOS’s academics”, especially in the EF English First organization in China. |
In my case, he was very much the string-puller and he wanted me to dance to his tune all the time - very frustrating. quote]
Chris, in my case it was the Center Manager as well as investor in one person who microscopically managed every move that I made and monitored every word that I said. The Center Manager’s bully husband stepped in whenever she had a problem with her poor management skills. At times, their visible disagreements caused me to wonder who my employer really was and who had the higher authority over the school’s affairs. Once the Center Manger’s/Investors husband verbally abused me and then FIRED me (also verbally) due to my second-year Contract dispute to only have that quickly taken back by her in the same office and in front of three other school’s staff members. You can’t imagine how difficult it was for me to continue and live up to my second-year’s contractual agreement. The EF Head Office in Shanghai was totally useless.
Speaking of EF DOS’s authorities in the EF center further, when I was EF Huizhou’s DOS my CM and her sales staff (both poor English and no academic experience whatsoever) trained the “Teachers’ Assistants” for the foreign academic staff members’ classes and you can imagine the problems that it caused later, when a TA provided my CM with her “feedback” on the class or when a TA disrupted the lesson. By the way, some of the unprofessional and non-academic feedbacks caused me to have to give Written Warnings to a few teachers on the direction of my CM. As ridiculous as it sounds, as ridiculous as it is with the EF English First in China.
Speaking of recruiting, when the school was not in demand for a Full-time Chinese English Teacher and my CM felt that she needed that Full-time Chinese academic staff member in the teachers’ office (you figure that WHY), she literally forced me to give interviews to a few poor applicants with a highly doubtful back round and knowledge of English.
Now, for those of you who wonder what is going on here on the forum about EF, this is NO BASHING of the EF English First in China, but this is the reality that comes with my truthful experience there.
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:15 am Post subject: D.O.S |
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Reading my post above I have just realized that it has not come out the way I wanted it to. I have really tried to reply to Chris's comments on my postings and his quotes instead of my own as it looks. I usually do not quote myself or reply to myslef. God, I hate computers!
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