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travelasia
Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: one more thing |
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| are we all suppossed to put caucasians on a pedestal? |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: Re: if we could all get along |
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| travelasia wrote: |
| ...being a non caucasian ive endured far more racism than any caucasian ever has... |
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...so excuse me if i have no patience for listen to white people complain... |
So now we're all in a contest to see who's endured the most racism?
Let me get this one straight. Being caucasian and having endured less racism than you makes me less justified in speaking out against it than you?
This all sounds like some kind of twisted passive-agressive form of vendetta against those who have discriminated against you in the past. Sorry, man. These aren't the droids you are looking for. Don't take it out on every caucasian dealing with racism in Asia that some backwards-minded people in Vancouver were surprised that you spoke English based on your appearance. That certainly isn't representative of the Canada I know... Reverse discrimination is just as bad.
I'm truly sorry that you had to endure racism when you lived in Vancouver but plenty of caucaians FROM and LIVING IN Canada (and predominantly caucasian countries) who are also trying to raise awareness to fight and eliminate racial discrimination.
Discrimination based on race, age, gender, religion, political persuasion ALL suck! And if someone has no patience with me complaining about them because in their eyes I haven't suffered enough to have a voice, well I definitely have no patience for that kind of short-sightedness. It does nothing to solve the problem. |
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Nicedog777
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 35 Location: Japan.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: |
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We're all in agreement that discrimination is bad, yes?
Then, that's the end of it, no? Granted, some have gotten it worse than others, but we've all had a taste of it, or we will at some point in our lives, and we can all agree it's a bad thing, to say the least. So, best thing to do, in my opinion is nullify it if we can, suffer it if we must, and do our best not to add to it. |
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Akula the shark
Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 103 Location: NZ
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: Re: if we could all get along |
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| travelasia wrote: |
| sigh..yes what akula said is true...but like i said i think being a non caucasian ive endured far more racism than any caucasian ever has...so there. if you were in my shoes you would know. so excuse me if i have no patience for listen to white people complain about racism in japan..this is asia... |
Racism is inexcusable in any form. You telling us to go home is racism.
You may well have suffered from racism in the past. It doesn't give you the right to behave in a racist manner towards others. |
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travelasia
Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: im the product of my environement |
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| no this is not a contest to see who has endured the worst treatment. but a white person cannot ever equate the level of racism they experience to what a normal non caucasian person goes through. its laughable if they do. ever wonder why im so cynical..its because i was treated as such and im the product of my environment...and now its funny to see the shoe on the other foot. have you been pulled of a plane..made to stand in a separate immigration line..been treated like a maid at work to someone who was less educated than mei.so why dont ethnic minorities mix up with people outside their social circle. well..in vancouver..its starts with the dreaded where are you from question...which then proceeds to questions like have you seen a building a before you came to canada or how people marvel that i could string two sentences together. vancouver is not a multicultural as it appears to be. asians tend to hang out with their own kind... im of course leaving out the white guys that marry japs girls..jap girls throw themselves at the white guys to move up the social ladder. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: im the product of my environement |
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| travelasia wrote: |
| no this is not a contest to see who has endured the worst treatment. but a white person cannot ever equate the level of racism they experience to what a normal non caucasian person goes through. its laughable if they do. ever wonder why im so cynical..its because i was treated as such and im the product of my environment...and now its funny to see the shoe on the other foot. have you been pulled of a plane..made to stand in a separate immigration line..been treated like a maid at work to someone who was less educated than mei.so why dont ethnic minorities mix up with people outside their social circle. well..in vancouver..its starts with the dreaded where are you from question...which then proceeds to questions like have you seen a building a before you came to canada or how people marvel that i could string two sentences together. vancouver is not a multicultural as it appears to be. asians tend to hang out with their own kind... im of course leaving out the white guys that marry japs girls..jap girls throw themselves at the white guys to move up the social ladder. |
Asia traveller
you are skating on thin ice, here. You bemoan the fact you were mistreated at home, calling people racist, yet you come here and use racist terminology against Japanese people (and dont tell me you don't know J-P is racist).
Have you also stopped to consider that many of us have experience racial discrimination in this country because race? Does being discriminated against because you are a white guy in Japan is that less of an injustice from Asians being discriminated against in Vancouver?
No many white people dont know what it feels like to be a minority in Canada. You sure as hell learn about it when you come here, and get turned away from onsen, have term limit contracts becuase you are not Japanese. You have your kids teased and bullied at school for being half. You get people calling you racist names to your face, as they assume you cant speak Japanese or because they see you with a Japanese girl.
Japanese girls dont throw themselves at western guys, it takes two to tango and who are you to say who japanese women can date. Dont you have inter-racial dating in Canada? Don't black women date white guys and Asian guys?
As a Moderator Im ready to pull the plug on this thread if the flaming and racial polemics continue. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: im the product of my environement |
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| travelasia wrote: |
| no this is not a contest to see who has endured the worst treatment. but a white person cannot ever equate the level of racism they experience to what a normal non caucasian person goes through. its laughable if they do. ever wonder why im so cynical..its because i was treated as such and im the product of my environment...and now its funny to see the shoe on the other foot. have you been pulled of a plane..made to stand in a separate immigration line..been treated like a maid at work to someone who was less educated than mei.so why dont ethnic minorities mix up with people outside their social circle. well..in vancouver..its starts with the dreaded where are you from question...which then proceeds to questions like have you seen a building a before you came to canada or how people marvel that i could string two sentences together. vancouver is not a multicultural as it appears to be. asians tend to hang out with their own kind... im of course leaving out the white guys that marry japs girls..jap girls throw themselves at the white guys to move up the social ladder. |
Asia traveller
you are skating on thin ice, here. You bemoan the fact you were mistreated at home, calling white people racist, yet you come here and use racist terminology against Japanese people (and dont tell me you don't know J-P is racist).
Have you also stopped to consider that many of us have experienced racial discrimination in this country because race? Does being discriminated against because you are a white guy in Japan is that less of an injustice from Asians being discriminated against in Vancouver? There are also racist japanese and from what I see, racist Asian people in Vancouver.
No, many white people dont know what it feels like to be a minority in Canada. You sure as hell learn about it when you come here, and get turned away from entering an onsen, can not rent an apartment have term limit contracts becuase you are not Japanese. You have your kids teased and bullied at school for being "half" and have fair skin. You get people calling you racist names to your face, as they assume you cant speak Japanese or because they see you chatting with a Japanese girl.
Japanese girls dont throw themselves at western guys, it takes two to tango and who are you to say who Japanese women can date. Dont you have inter-racial dating in Canada? Don't black women date white guys and Asian guys? Yes women do date white guys here, they also date black guys and Koreans. Who says women here must only date other Japanese or other Asians. That is racial profiling and stereotyping at its worst.
As a Moderator Im ready to pull the plug on this thread if the flaming and racial polemics continue.
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Lister100
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 106
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Travelasia, you think you're the defining experience of all visible minorities in Canada? Did you even try to make friends with white people? In your 10 years you didn't find any decent white folk to hang out with? How is it that from a backwater small city in Ontario that I lived in for many years there were visible minorities that told me they never experienced a racist comment in their entire lives there? Maybe because they didn't put themselves on pedestals.
And how can you define white peoples experience? 87% of Canada's population lives in big cities. These cities have entire communities that are closed off visible minority groups. You don't think a white person living in these communities can exprerience prejudice as much as a visible minority in a white community?
For my money the biggest prejudice in todays Canada (in numbers affected, albeit probably not in BC) isn't racially based but linguistically based and its the long running French/English rivalry. This is white on white prujudice. You don't need to be of a different colour to experience prejudice, but you do have to be egocentric to think you're the only authority on racism. There are a lot of white Jewish people too. Are you going to tell them they don't know prejudice? |
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Lister100
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 106
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, I'm going to take a couple of steps back here and say I don't know your life travelasia. Maybe you had a bad run of Canada. It can happen anywhere I guess. If you were stuck around a jerky white community it would have no doubt tainted your perspective. In these situations it gets to be real easy to assume your situation is the universal truth for all people like you. But you're away from it now and its high time to let the healing process begin. Don't become what you hated, take the higher road and become something better. |
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travelasia
Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: thank you lister |
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| yes you are right..i shouldnt become what i hate.. guess there is some truth to the old saying.."we become what we fight" . japan is a new chapter for me..and im treated better here. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: thank you lister |
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| travelasia wrote: |
| yes you are right..i shouldnt become what i hate.. guess there is some truth to the old saying.."we become what we fight" . japan is a new chapter for me..and im treated better here. |
Then I suggest you be glad about it. |
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SEndrigo
Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 437
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: thank you lister |
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| travelasia wrote: |
| yes you are right..i shouldnt become what i hate.. guess there is some truth to the old saying.."we become what we fight" . japan is a new chapter for me..and im treated better here. |
Good for you mate...I hope you are happy living with other Asians, rather than the bad white people whom you are so happy to vilify.
Anyone who claims Canada is a more racist society than Japan is utterly delusional....and this shows just how little you know about Japan, whose treatment of Chinese and Koreans is contemptible at best.
In Japan, there are only two groups of people...Japanese, and others.
Yes it's a great place, but it is not the paradise you envision it to be. And it's certainly not free from racism, even toward other Asians.
One could argue that racism toward other Asians in Japan is worse !
Ware ware Nihon-jin !  |
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travelasia
Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: delusional |
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im not delusional..thats just my opinion and having lived in the 2 countries..im merely stating my experiences. i do know japanese history..im not that dumb. i did have an asian family member who worked with the japanese when the MOD EDIT took control over asia during ww2. and must say..again from my own experience..that the family was treated better. i will leave it at that. also, asia does not merely consist of chinese and koreans..
(MOD) This is your last warning. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: thank you lister |
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| SEndrigo wrote: |
| Anyone who claims Canada is a more racist society than Japan is utterly delusional....and this shows just how little you know about Japan, whose treatment of Chinese and Koreans is contemptible at best. |
Why is it that Canadians seem to have the most trouble accepting that they have a problem with racial discrimination. As if the treatment of the aboriginal population of Canada is not contemptible at best. I mean you don't hear the term 'genocide' bandied about in relation to Japanese treatment of Chinese or Koreans.
On the Moderation issue while I don't agree with travelasia's terminology I can identify with the sentiment which is more than I can say about many other posters who may post using terminology that may pass the Moderators PC parameters but are just as, if not more, disturbing. |
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