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Chris420
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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: New teacher (no degree) looking for work |
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Hello. My name is Chris. I'm looking for a place in Asia where I can work and save money. I don't have a degree. Which countries would you guys recommend? I don't have any teaching experience at all and I heard a rumor that you can go into another country right after you get out of high school. I don't know much about the ESL community, but that's why I'm here, cuz I'm pretty sure you guys may be able to give me some good advice. Now I heard that in Taiwan, some teachers with no degree go in and they work on a tourist visa and go on a visa run every 2 months and that they usually find work in Taiwan by looking in the papers and using recruiting services. Do the police check out the schools once in a while to see if there's any illegal teachers there? Also, how exactly would I teach english to people who don't know any english at all? (considering the fact I don't speak their language) Now I have a question about Thailand. I hear that you can legally work there with out a work visa. How true is that? And if you don't have a degree to qualify for the Thai work visa, which other type of visa do you go in on? I'd appreciate any advice you could give me. Thanks.
Chris420
p.s. Is it safe to walk into another country with no teaching experience?
p.p.s. I have a friend with a criminal record for murder. He was tried as a young offender in 1999 and he's out now. Can he get into another country to teach english? Click on this link to see the story.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/intl/article/0,9171,1107990510-25025-1,00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/colo/colo108.htm
http://ca.fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Canada/Alberta_School_Shooting/news_stories_1.html |
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moot point
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| It'll be tough for you to find work without a uni. degree or experience. Get an education first. |
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marblez
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Oh my Lord. The Taber shooter?
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Glenski
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Chris,
What is your nationality? If you are American, you are out of luck in getting a work visa. If you are British, Aussie, New Zealander, or Canadian, and if you are 18-30 years old, you might qualify for a working holiday visa, which would allow you to work for a year.
If you can't qualify for that, the only ways to work legally in Japan without a degree are the following:
1. spouse visa, if you are married to a Japanese
2. dependent visa, if you are married to a non-Japanese with a FT job
3. student visa, if you are enrolled in a Japanese school
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| Is it safe to walk into another country with no teaching experience? |
Safe? What do you mean?
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| how exactly would I teach english to people who don't know any english at all? |
In Japan, you are not allowed to use Japanese in the classroom anyway, but if your students are beginners, you might have to use it a little, even though the school would prohibit it. There's more to it than just that, so, basically, as moot point suggests, learning how to do this (by getting the proper education beforehand) would be a wise decision. |
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Jared
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: taber shooter |
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Okay Chris. What makes you think that Todd (Taber Shooter) would be able to leave Canada again? For murder? I don't think so. I highly dought Todd will ever get out of Canada again. And even if he did get a pardon, other countries will still have access to the record he once had. As soon as he got to Tokyo airport, they'd refuse him and send him back.
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| It'll be tough for you to find work without a uni. degree or experience. Get an education first. |
Now that you mention that, I saw some positons in China , Malaysia, or Cambodia that don't require that you have a degree. Now for Taiwan, Korea, and Japan, you need a degree. Just a piece of advice for you Chris, I'd stay away from Thailand. It's a beautiful place, I don't know if you need a degree or not, but I hear that even with a degree, teachers in Thailand don't make that much. Good place to visit, not to teach. (Unless you don't need to save money). See ya.
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Just about Asia.
You could get a job with English Time here in Istanbul. There are no checks with regard to legality but you would have to do a visa run every 3 months. If you took all the hours going and lived frugally you could save money. PM me for more details |
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Chris420
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Is it safe to walk into another country with no teaching experience?
Safe? What do you mean? |
The reason why I asked that is because I wasn't sure if teaching experience was necessary. I just kinda wanna be prepared for the worst case of circumstances. Such as, what if I get fired from my job and stuff like that? Anyway do you need a degree for China?
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Chris,
What is your nationality? If you are American, you are out of luck in getting a work visa. If you are British, Aussie, New Zealander, or Canadian, and if you are 18-30 years old, you might qualify for a working holiday visa, which would allow you to work for a year. |
I am a Canadian citizen. I thought about going to Japan under a WH visa, however I heard that you have to fly into Japan first, and then find a job. Now the fact that I don't know Japan at all and I'm not used to large cities, is it really easy to get lost in those cities? And about the job deal, is it possible to find one and get one lined up before going into Japan?
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If you can't qualify for that, the only ways to work legally in Japan without a degree are the following:
1. spouse visa, if you are married to a Japanese
2. dependent visa, if you are married to a non-Japanese with a FT job
3. student visa, if you are enrolled in a Japanese school |
For the student visa, how many hours do you have to study per day/week, and how many hours are you allowed to work per day/week? I heard of a canadian woman who was jailed for working on a student visa. Is it possible she might have exceeded the legal ammount of hours she was allowed to work? |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| The reason why I asked that is because I wasn't sure if teaching experience was necessary. I just kinda wanna be prepared for the worst case of circumstances. Such as, what if I get fired from my job and stuff like that? Anyway do you need a degree for China? |
Don't know about China. Have heard you don't need one.
In Japan, if you quit your job or are fired, the work visa remains yours, so you can stay until it expires, whether you work on it or not.
As for experience, you don't need it for most of the entry level conversation school jobs. The key is knowing when to come, who to contact, and having enough money to support yourself until the first paycheck rolls in. For Japan, that could entail US$4000-5000.
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| I am a Canadian citizen. I thought about going to Japan under a WH visa, however I heard that you have to fly into Japan first, and then find a job. Now the fact that I don't know Japan at all and I'm not used to large cities, is it really easy to get lost in those cities? |
Of course, it's possible, especially since they don't number the buildings sequentially down the row of blocks. Public transportation in large cities is usually labeled in Japanese and English. Your biggest concern with a WHV should be supporting yourself here until you find a job.
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| And about the job deal, is it possible to find one and get one lined up before going into Japan? |
Yes. However, think about it. There are only about a dozen places that recruit foreign teachers from abroad AND provide visa sponsorship. Even though you don't need that with a WHV, you could still try to interview with them. Otherwise, just scour the ads online to see who is interested in hiring even if they don't provide sponsorship. There is where you will run into problems, because the majority of them want to see their candidates face to face for the interview. Can't blame them.
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| For the student visa, how many hours do you have to study per day/week, and how many hours are you allowed to work per day/week? I heard of a canadian woman who was jailed for working on a student visa. Is it possible she might have exceeded the legal ammount of hours she was allowed to work? |
I believe student visas permit 20-25 hours per week of work in Japan. You have to be enrolled as a FT student to qualify, I think. Hard to say much about that woman with so few details. Could have been any reason at all that she was arrested. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| [ I heard of a canadian woman who was jailed for working on a student visa. Is it possible she might have exceeded the legal ammount of hours she was allowed to work? |
It is extremely unlikely you would go to jail for working more than 25 hours on a student visa and most kinds of work is allowed on the visa in order to support your life in Japan. Students here work all the time at part time jobs. It would all depend on what kind of work she was doing e.g. working as a hostess in a snack bar, or selling dope out of her apartment are definitely chargeable offences.
One student got arrested a few years ago for overstaying her student visa as she was leaving the country and they locked her up for five days for having an expired visa. |
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YearOfTheDog
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
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Location: Peterborough, ON, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: New teacher (no degree) looking for work |
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| Chris420 wrote: |
Hello. My name is Chris. I'm looking for a place in Asia where I can work and save money. I don't have a degree. Which countries would you guys recommend? I don't have any teaching experience at all and I heard a rumor that you can go into another country right after you get out of high school. I don't know much about the ESL community, but that's why I'm here, cuz I'm pretty sure you guys may be able to give me some good advice. Now I heard that in Taiwan, some teachers with no degree go in and they work on a tourist visa and go on a visa run every 2 months and that they usually find work in Taiwan by looking in the papers and using recruiting services. Do the police check out the schools once in a while to see if there's any illegal teachers there? Also, how exactly would I teach english to people who don't know any english at all? (considering the fact I don't speak their language) Now I have a question about Thailand. I hear that you can legally work there with out a work visa. How true is that? And if you don't have a degree to qualify for the Thai work visa, which other type of visa do you go in on? I'd appreciate any advice you could give me. Thanks.
Chris420
p.s. Is it safe to walk into another country with no teaching experience?
p.p.s. I have a friend with a criminal record for murder. He was tried as a young offender in 1999 and he's out now. Can he get into another country to teach english? Click on this link to see the story.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/intl/article/0,9171,1107990510-25025-1,00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/colo/colo108.htm
http://ca.fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Canada/Alberta_School_Shooting/news_stories_1.html |
I don't think someone involved in a school shooting should be a teacher.  That is really twisted. MOD EDIT |
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Chris420
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Jared was involved in that school shooting. Todd (the shooter) told him what he was gonna do before he even did it. Of course Jared was too stupid to believe him. But he's out on parole now and gonna live in Quebec soon. I mean, someone who's bilingual in English and French could teach 2 languages in China. Not to mention that because Todd was tried as a young offender he can still get a pardon. How can he get into China anyway? Thanks.
Chris420
p.s. Sorry Jared for mentioning you. I know you didn't think the shooting would actually happen. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont know how some one with a criminal conviction and having completed a prison sentence could get a work visa. In Japan you can not get a visa if you have done more than 6 months in prison. |
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Chris420
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| Well of course he can't get a work visa. I can't even get one. Me or Todd don't have degrees. And I got two words for you PAULH. "Fake Passport." Oh and where would I be able to find Todd a fake passport anyway? |
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PAULH
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| Well of course he can't get a work visa. I can't even get one. Me or Todd don't have degrees. And I got two words for you PAULH. "Fake Passport." Oh and where would I be able to find Todd a fake passport anyway? |
You would think that someone who had been inside for killing someone wouldnt be in a hurry to go back to prison for trying to travel on a fake passport. Bobby Fischer spent 9 months in jail in Japan as the US would not let him travel on his invalid passport.
Do you have any idea what Japanese and Chinese jails are like for detainees? They are not fun places. |
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marblez
Joined: 24 Oct 2004
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Location: Canada
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| Well of course he can't get a work visa. I can't even get one. Me or Todd don't have degrees. And I got two words for you PAULH. "Fake Passport." Oh and where would I be able to find Todd a fake passport anyway? |
Why don't you ask "Todd", doesn't he have inside connections? Seriously though, nobody on this board will condone that behaviour (even the most depraved backpacker has limits - recommending a fake passport to a school shooter?). Jail would be imminent. Then again, seeing as though you all are used to YOA conditions, a Chinese jail might be a nice "cold shower" wakeup call.
Go find a nice construction job in Edmonton or something... |
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