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[travelasia]

thanks m. im just mearly stating my experiences ive encountered in canada and in japan. there are 2 sides to every story..and i doubt some of you have encountered it in your home country...so i thought i would shed some light. yes in talking about racial discrimination in canada..i have forgotten the natives who have become largely marginalized and forgotten. but dealing with this thread...im just trying to shed light on what it feels like to be a non caucasian who has lived in canada...and what it feels like to be pulled aside when you land in canada after a holiday..to deal with questions like how did i finance my trip...i rarely see any other non visible minorities being pulled aside. but in this discussion on racism in japan..i would like to ask the ones that brought up this topic in the first place...if japan is indeed a racist country...what made you decide to come here..work , live and to marry a japanese person. since as some state..you will always be an outsider in japan...why stay?

[PAULH]

If some of the language is so disturbing why dont you send me a PM then? I cant be everywhere at once and cant catch everything. And Im not being PC. Saying J-P on a japan forum is racist. Its almost as bad as using the n-word for black people.

[Doglover]

[travelasia]

well being in this pc world..i was using the dreaded j word as a short form, not in a derogatory tone that it received. some people feel that because they have lived in japan longer than i makes or that they are married to one makes them an authority on racism towards a japanese person.

i was just curious..why people choose to complain if they have a japanese wife and japanese kids..and enjoy the money they make here. you cant have your cake and eat it to.

[travelasia]

if you choose to willfully stay in japan and enjoy the benefits..dont complain.

[Gordon]

[travelasia]

im not happy that people have to endure racism in japan.things are not going to change in japan if you are indeed an outsider..one will always be an outsider in japan.im just saying this is just what it feels like. this is what it feels like when the shoe is on the other foot... since ive complained enough...which is why im here now.

[Brooks]

this sort of logic reminds me of a black man I used to work with in the US. He said that black people are incapable of racism.

Travelasia, Jap is a racist term.
Japanese women I think are content being in Japan. Getting married to a white American like myself makes things more complicated for my Japanese wife.
She didn`t marry me to climb up any ladder.
Your attitude is patronizing and you are showing your ignorance.

[travelasia]

i think we are living in a too pc world. like i said..i was using it as a short form..not in the tone it was received. everyone can be a racist..regardless of their skin colour. im merely a product of having been treated badly.to some people that gripe that japan is a racist country... does the govt forbid you from marrying a japanese. does the govt forbid you from having kids with your japanese wife? are some of you not married to a japanese? are you working in blue collar jobs here..are you paid less than a normal japanese is?.

do most of you make a better living..better job, better salaries than you do back home. if you answer yes to all the above..wow japan is indeed a racist country.

[travelasia]

brooks if you want to be pc, shouldnt the term black guy be african amercan.

"this sort of logic reminds me of a black man I used "

be african amercian. hey if everyone wants to be so pc..i say be pc all the way.

[Doglover]

[Doglover]

[PAULH]

I seem to remember Malcolm was one of the main agitators on the Australian thread about Aborigines last years. Thread ended up getting deleted.

"Hisashiburi" and Im not going down that road again.

PS If I told you what the "industry" pays me each month to be a dancing bear here you would choke on your 4X.

PPS I have seen what they pay qualified ESL uni teachers in Australia. Highest paying job i saw was $AUS70,000.

[Mtnkiwi]

I was starting to think that the stuff Travelasia saying was just the bitterness of one person, and then Malcolm stepped up to the plate. Not every guy that comes to Japan is a "Looser" nor a "Loser". I certainly don't class myself as such, nor any of the good non-Japanese friends I have made in this country. Malcolm's attack on English teachers, and Arts Degree holders (basically offensive and utter rubbish -All the people I studied Arts with at University are living fulfilled and meaningful lives.) sits nicely next to Travelasia's assault on Caucasians in Japan. No body deserves to be openly, repetitively and institutionally discriminated against, no matter where they live, especially if the country that they live in is considered /considers itself First World, modern and socially progressive.
No one is hiding behind the moderators by complaining that this recent name-calling has gone too far, you can't just come on to a forum and attack most of the members.
Everybody who lives here for a decent amount of time is going to have some troubles re-adjusting to life in their home country (funny how it is assumed that we should, yet we can easily accept the idea of a Japanese National wanting to live in NZ(for example) for the rest of his/her life, without questioning when they'll return to Japan). There are a lot of factors involved in deciding if and when to leave Japan. These are drastically altered by the addition of spouses, children to the equation.
Life is hard, that is a fact. Everybody is going to have problems in life, no one denies that. But the people here who complain of discrimination etc are just and right in doing so. Who is anyone to reject another's basic human needs and feelings simply because they aren't the minority in some other countries?
Has anyone else had enough yet?