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Is Dave's a "Community"?
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Do you feel like you are a part of a community at Dave's?
Yes
50%
 50%  [ 14 ]
No
21%
 21%  [ 6 ]
Sometimes
28%
 28%  [ 8 ]
Just passing through, thanks.
0%
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: Is Dave's a "Community"? Reply with quote

Let me try and explain from where I'm coming:

From what I've read over the past year and a half, we have people from all walks of life: young, old, thin, fat, short, tall, a variety of races, sexual identities, ages, religions, male/female, etc.

People come, people go, people come back again with a different alias. We talk about weather, politics, sex, governments, sports, education, Burger Kings, and a host of other topics.

People ask for help, we give it. People offer advice; sometimes we take it - sometimes we get bent out of shape over it.

In my opinion, new members are always welcome, because a new voice is sometimes like a breath of fresh air. New perspectives keep things interesting.

But then there are others whose first post is to ask if any of us know where they can find a job or what is the cost of living or to complain about a school. All that is fine, of course, that is what these forums are all about. However, many of these new members are never heard from again! I mean, no updates, no "thanks a lot", no opinions or helpful advice on other subjects. Have they been lurking on Dave's for weeks or months or did they stumble across this site, try and get what they needed and go on their way?

Some things (like visas, for example) are discussed ad nauseum here, but every week or two we still get questions or someone is in dire straits due to visa concerns. I'll admit, the search function is a bear, so I understand the repition, but some topics are repeated so much, I just get bored and bypass them completely

So, what's my point? I'm not a snob or anything and I like posting here at Dave's (sometimes I post TOO much!). It gives me something to do when I'm bored and I've gotten a lot of useful information and help here - - I've tried to dispense my own "wisdom" as well (sometimes not so successfully). But I'm just a little leery (weary?) of seeing new posters often coming on here just to get what they need and *poof!* they're gone.

I guess I'm sort of rambling and don't know if I've made myself clear enough so I guess feedback would be helpful here. I'd love to hear from old-timers, newbies, and one-night stands.
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go_ABs



Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Posts: 507

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure. We're an online community. By its very nature the online community is constantly coming and going. Some don't stray very far from the two or three sites they love, and some don't stay very long anywhere. Most are in between.

I do Dave's in spurts. Once in a while I get completely and utterly sick of the repetitive posts here, the trolls, the general *beep*y posters. So I stay away for a while until (usually) boredom drives me back. Then I find it interesting again.

I agree with you, though, if someone asks for advice and gets it, it would be nice to hear how they get on. Sometimes someone is in such a pickle that they demand URGENT advice on crucial things, and we never know whether they get away fine, or are currently behind bars (though, if the latter is the case I'd forgive not updating Dave's regulars, but I suspect it's not).

Cheers,

PS A very clear post, Kev, hardly a ramble in sight.
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Volodiya



Joined: 03 May 2004
Posts: 1025
Location: Somewhere, out there

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Community? You bet, we are. We get to know each other through our posts.

I'd bet you have a pretty good idea of my personality, style, interests, etc., as a result of the posts here. You'd know, for example, that I live in Kunming, that I have a partner of ten years, that I'm a "romantic"; that I'm interested in legal subjects, and have fond memories of the former Soviet Union, where I worked for eleven years. You'd know I am a lawyer and an English teacher, and that I like China and the Chinese people. You'd know that I'm an American.

I know you, too, because I pay attention to what you say, and have a good memory.

You'd know that the only time I've ever "flamed" anybody, was when they posted the same questions to 12 forums around the world, which I consider "lazy" research.

You'd know that I'm not willing to get onto "political" threads. You wouldn't necessarily know why. I'll tell you now. It's because I feel too passionately about these subjects to want to get into the "free-for-all" that these become. You'd know that I tend to avoid posting on the "bawdy" threads. But, tastes are different, and I appreciate that we can allow each other a lot of freedom on these forums.

I don't appreciate people correcting others' spelling, grammar, etc. That, frankly, strikes me as "childish", if not snobbish. (I take liberties with punctuation, and the occasional spelling errors will creep in. I appreciate it that others don't bother to point them out, when they occur.)

I miss the posters who've dropped off these forums. There are many. Remember the "Ape"? He was fun, for me. There are others that I miss- all for different reasons.

I hope others come, and the oldsters, return. We were richer, for them.
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lagerlout2006



Joined: 17 Sep 2003
Posts: 985

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a community...a place to hear from people who are -or were or will be going through the same thing.

What I resent is the idea that the site is for giving "advice" to the innocent. It is more of a Lonely Hearts Club and there's nothing wrong with that.

At risk of going into rant mode why do people need to ask about evrything before going abroad? There was a time when going to teach English was...............(I hate to use the word in 2005)..adventurous.
In 1999-2000 I lined up a job in Korea through a bulletin board. I wanted to go and I would never have posted ---as you see now---How much can I make? Is there a Walmart? Is this city nice? What do I bring ? and all the rest.

People want to talk about everything---except teaching of course---that wouldn't be cool.
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tw



Joined: 04 Jun 2005
Posts: 3898

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Dave's a "Community"? Reply with quote

kev7161 wrote:
So, what's my point? I'm not a snob or anything and I like posting here at Dave's (sometimes I post TOO much!). It gives me something to do when I'm bored and I've gotten a lot of useful information and help here - - I've tried to dispense my own "wisdom" as well (sometimes not so successfully). But I'm just a little leery (weary?) of seeing new posters often coming on here just to get what they need and *poof!* they're gone.


I know I post waaaaaaaaaay too much. But I enjoy most of the discussions and I don't mind giving the same advices repeatedly -- just as long as I am quite certain of what I am talking about. Granted, I also wish the system doesn't keep track of the number of posts because I really couldn't care less. I agree about the people who seem only interested in getting FREE advice. What bothers me the most are the people who don't seem to want to put any effort into doing their own research, or don't have the true sincerity in going to China to work. I am of course referring to posts like "How is the night life in...".

BTW, has everyone noticed that in the last couple weeks the number of people posting seem to have dropped significantly? Back a month ago, the impression I got from reading some of the posts was that Dave's was a place full of intolerant people. You had the "Dalian sucks", and "I would never eat with the Chinese". I am SO happy those people have now left China because their whining, b1tching, and snivelling posts have stopped too.

Oh well, I know next month a new batch of excited and ignorant newbies will arrive in China. I am very sure soon I will see the arrogant posts mocking and ridiculing the staring and spitting all over again.


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go_ABs



Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Posts: 507

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not trying to nit-pick or hijack the thread, but still:

tw wrote:
I know I post waaaaaaaaaay too much...

...has everyone noticed that in the last couple weeks the number of people posting seem to have dropped significantly?


Could it be they're being drowned out?

Do you have time to follow what's said about your 25+ posts per day? If you do, then you obviously have no job or life, and haven't had for the better part of a month. If not, then you probably miss a lot of the people responding.

Also, summer vacation probably has a lot to do with it; people are travelling now.