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Tomasama



Joined: 18 Mar 2005
Posts: 18
Location: au

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: catch 22 Reply with quote

Hello all! I�ve been soaking up the useful bits of information from this forum of over 6mths and now I have a question.
I�ll set the scene�.
I�ve been applying for jobs in the Kansai area, which has dug up some interest from employers though they all seem to want me to contact them when I arrive in Osaka or they�ve arranged interviews. So far it doesn�t look like I�ll be landing a job while I�m still in God�s country (Australia).
The bind I am in is this; for me to get the job I�m going to need a mobile phone. To obtain the phone I�m going to need a place of residence and/or at least a bank account. To get a bank account I need a place of residence. To get the place of residence I�ll need a job.
Errrgggggggg� am I over simplifying? Probably. Are their any exceptions to the above mentioned? Thanks in advance !
Damn system, damn bureaucracy �. mumble mumble
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get a residence in most apartments in Japan, you need a guarantor (usually the employer), yes. Some places don't, and I think you'll find that those are usually guest houses. Look at this link for some specific places.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=4264&highlight=apartment+guarantor+key+money

Also, you may find some at http://www.kfm.to
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Posts: 2286
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not as hard as you make it out to be.

First, don't count on coming here and immediately moving into the apartment where you'll be living. You don't even know where you'll be working so what's the point? Best thing is to find a backpacker's inn or cheap hostel or monthly-rental unit or gaijin house, guest house or basically some kind of temporary place to stay. Whatever. Even a homestay could be arranged, quite possibly. I know in larger cities, this isn't much of a big deal.

Once you have that, you can get yourself a pre-paid mobile phone. All you need is an address to give to the dude that sells it to you -- so they can give you a phone number (use your hotel's address -- that's what I did) and you're set.

Then all you need is an internet cafe to contact potential employers and send them your mobile number so they can arrange interviews with you.

Take it from me. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. (Don't want another one, though).
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Big John Stud



Joined: 07 Oct 2004
Posts: 513

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a mobil phone by using a credit card, or you can get a prepaid mobil phone at most convenient stores. Once the prepaid mobil phone is used up, you can buy more time.
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Doglover



Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 305
Location: Kansai

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject: Re: catch 22 Reply with quote

Tomasama wrote:
Hello all! I�ve been soaking up the useful bits of information from this forum of over 6mths and now I have a question.
I�ll set the scene�.
I�ve been applying for jobs in the Kansai area, which has dug up some interest from employers though they all seem to want me to contact them when I arrive in Osaka or they�ve arranged interviews. So far it doesn�t look like I�ll be landing a job while I�m still in God�s country (Australia).
The bind I am in is this; for me to get the job I�m going to need a mobile phone. To obtain the phone I�m going to need a place of residence and/or at least a bank account. To get a bank account I need a place of residence. To get the place of residence I�ll need a job.
Errrgggggggg� am I over simplifying? Probably. Are their any exceptions to the above mentioned? Thanks in advance !
Damn system, damn bureaucracy �. mumble mumble


I have a friend in Kansai who rents mobile phones to business men who need a phone on a temporary basis or are visiting Japan.

You need a credit card so he can charge you for the phone and any calls you make on it.

Need more info?
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Tomasama



Joined: 18 Mar 2005
Posts: 18
Location: au

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:06 am    Post subject: Moblie phones Reply with quote

Thanks all for your response, its all good advice.
While we're on the subject of mobile phones, can anyone recommend some good basic no frills brand/models that are reliable and relatively inexpensive?
It might seem off-topic but a reliable phone is essential these days; especially during the job hunting process.
Thanks again
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prepaid or subscription?

Others may differ, but I found that Tu-ka was most foreigner friendly and was the cheapest/no-frills of them all... Whether it was prepaid or not.

Once you have an address, ask at the store -- but one of the 4 major companies doesn't need an alien registration card to get a phone. I forget which one.

Good luck.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 4672
Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Moblie phones Reply with quote

Tomasama wrote:
Thanks all for your response, its all good advice.
While we're on the subject of mobile phones, can anyone recommend some good basic no frills brand/models that are reliable and relatively inexpensive?
It might seem off-topic but a reliable phone is essential these days; especially during the job hunting process.
Thanks again


There are about 4 or 5 companies that make phones: NTT Docomo, Au are just two of them. Japan is electronics heaven, they make the things here so reliability is not usually a problem. They are brand new. Its a matter or what you need it for (some now carry small TV screens) and all of them almost have cameras as a standard feature. Most will have email and connection to the Internet.

The phone itself will cost next to nothing and you can pick up a no-frills phone for less than $10-15 at an electronics or a phone store. Once you sign up for service you simply pay for phone charges, email etc. They virtually give away phones here but they compete on features and brand etc.

PS NTT Docomo I believe says you have to have credit card, PR or spouse visa, and pay a 30,000 yen deposit due to bad debts left by foreigners who dont pay their phone bills. I would probably go with Au. The alternative is rent a phone for a few weeks, see what you like best and then buy your own.
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