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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: How white is 'white'? Reply with quote

My Boyfriend is thinking of teaching in China. His father is 3/4 Chinese 1/4 white and his mother is white. He looks a bit Chinese but mainly white. Is he going to have problems finding work?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so he is 3/8 Chinese and 5/8 white, which is pretty close to half-and-half. Well, unless his family name is a Chinese name, he should have no problem finding work in China. Otherwise, he'll probably get the typical ignorant questions. My first co-worker in Dalian was 1/2 Chinese and 1/2 Irish and even though you could see some Chinese features on her face, half of the people thought she was white and the other half thought she was of some Chinese minority ethnic group found in Xinjiang or something.

Although my rule is that "anyone who looks Chinese will have a very hard time being considered for teaching positions in China", I think the other rule, "anyone who looks like a foreigner can easily be accepted for teaching positions in China" takes precedence.


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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter is half Asian and half white. Chinese who have seen her say she looks like a foreigner. I'm sure he won't have much problems, unless as tw pointed out, he has a Chinese surname.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My daughter is half Asian and half white


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I'm sure he won't have much problems


GWoW - you've been in China for too long. Your Chinglish is showing! Laughing
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tw



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev7161 wrote:
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My daughter is half Asian and half white


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I'm sure he won't have much problems


GWoW - you've been in China for too long. Your Chinglish is showing! Laughing


Er...I think the "he" in reference is the OP's boyfriend.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:12 am    Post subject: Which one does "he" refer to? Reply with quote

kev7161 wrote:
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My daughter is half Asian and half white


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I'm sure he won't have much problems


GWoW - you've been in China for too long. Your Chinglish is showing! Laughing


Sorry, Kevin, but I'm afraid I have to tell you that yours is showing. "He" refers to Level's boyfriend! Embarassed After all, he, not Whiner's daughter, is the one who wants a job!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:34 am    Post subject: crap...I'm 100% Chinese Reply with quote

I'm 100% Chinese, born in Taiwan, but am a an American citizen. Contrary to what most people would think, English IS my first language because I immigrated to the states as a baby and learned English much faster than my native Taiwanese/Mandarin which I know very little of by now.

Now, I want to know, because I'm seriously considering seeking a TEFL job in China, how hard will it be for me?

I mean, even after I show them my American passport, show that I'm proficient in English, tell them my history, etc., etc., would they still think that I'm incapable of doing the job simply because of an obviously false notion that a caucasian would do better?

What's the deal here?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: crap...I'm 100% Chinese Reply with quote

wayne_weed wrote:
I'm 100% Chinese, born in Taiwan, but am a an American citizen. Contrary to what most people would think, English IS my first language because I immigrated to the states as a baby and learned English much faster than my native Taiwanese/Mandarin which I know very little of by now.

Now, I want to know, because I'm seriously considering seeking a TEFL job in China, how hard will it be for me?

I mean, even after I show them my American passport, show that I'm proficient in English, tell them my history, etc., etc., would they still think that I'm incapable of doing the job simply because of an obviously false notion that a caucasian would do better?

What's the deal here?


Got a degree? Got a TEFL certificate? None of the above? Your likelihood of getting a job will probably be 1 in 10,000. Got a degree or TEFL certificate? One in 1,000. Got both? One in 100.

It doesn't matter if you've been living in USA since you were a baby. You got a Chinese name on your passport, your passport says you were not born in USA. That's all they care about. They will probably scrutinize every little bit of "flaws" in your English as compared to what they perceive to be "standard" American English.

It's not your English. It's your FACE. They think foreign face = good English. My cousin was born and raised in Canada. He taught for a year in Taiwan and parents would test his English and not a Belgium teacher's English.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: crap...I'm 100% Chinese Reply with quote

wayne_weed wrote:
I'm 100% Chinese, born in Taiwan, but am a an American citizen. Contrary to what most people would think, English IS my first language because I immigrated to the states as a baby and learned English much faster than my native Taiwanese/Mandarin which I know very little of by now.

Now, I want to know, because I'm seriously considering seeking a TEFL job in China, how hard will it be for me?

I mean, even after I show them my American passport, show that I'm proficient in English, tell them my history, etc., etc., would they still think that I'm incapable of doing the job simply because of an obviously false notion that a caucasian would do better?

What's the deal here?


It's not about your ability to do your job, it's about the marketability of your face. Your best bet would be to come over and search from here, look at higher level universities. Johnny on the spot has a better chance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin, I'm laughing with you at the moment. But I'll leave it to you to respond to tw and Chris_Crossley as you see fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hate to say it, but I am going to have to agree, finding a job teaching english in China with a Chinese face is really, really hard. These days most of the recruitors will not even read an application as soon as they see the picture of an Asian American/Englishman/Canadian etc. If you do manage to find a job, it will most likey not be a good one. i don't mean to be rude in any way, but IMHO, if you are of Asian decent and want to teach english, go some where else.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mlalahoi wrote:
i hate to say it, but I am going to have to agree, finding a job teaching english in China with a Chinese face is really, really hard. These days most of the recruitors will not even read an application as soon as they see the picture of an Asian American/Englishman/Canadian etc. If you do manage to find a job, it will most likey not be a good one. i don't mean to be rude in any way, but IMHO, if you are of Asian decent and want to teach english, go some where else.


I take it that you are of Chinese heritage too? Yeah, you don't have to tell me about the discriminations. I faced plenty of that in the last 6 months. Recruiters? Are you kidding me? I've had even PUBLIC universities telling me that they didn't want a Chinese face. A poster is trying to get me a teaching job at the university he's currently teaching at because apparently they are desperate for a FT. Guess what? Now they are concerned that I "may not be a Canadian". Sheeesh! What a load of crap.
When I brought this up two years ago, an Australian woman had the nerve of accusing me having a chip on my shoulder.

Anyway, I wouldn't say anyone with an Asian face would have a difficult time finding work in China. I would narrow it down to people with Oriental face (Chinese, Korean, Japanese). Filipinos, Pakistakis and Indians are Asians too. But they look quite different from Chinese (except for a small minority of Filipinos who have a lot of Chinese blood). I have seen ads that specifically ask for Filipinos, but you never see ads asking for Chinese Canadians, Americans, British, or Australians. Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to say.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw, I will it again, I KNOW there is discrimination towards people of Asian heritage BUT there is not a university in my city (or most I would think) that would hire someone without a degree. Any teacher should who is teaching at a university should have a degree.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babala wrote:
tw, I will it again, I KNOW there is discrimination towards people of Asian heritage BUT there is not a university in my city (or most I would think) that would hire someone without a degree. Any teacher should who is teaching at a university should have a degree.


You are obviously in a major city where competition is stiff, so employers have the luxury to pick and choose. Remember GZ? The guy had a master's degree in education. Could he find work? Nope. Why? He wanted to teach in Guangzhou where FT's with a degree are probably a dime a dozen. I am very sure if he were to go to some unheard-of tiny little dot on the map he could have had a job with ease.

Again, I will remind you that the rejection letters I received mentioned more about my skin color/Chinese name/Chinese face than the fact that I don't have a degree.


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