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ttlesl

Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: a new on-line resource |
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www.TotalESL.com launched on July 13th, 2005! Already 60 jobs, 30 schools and 65 lessons listed! 35,000 hits and climbing!
I would like to introduce a new free website (www.TotalESL.com) to help ESL/EFL teachers and schools (international, private, government and institute) communicate and find each other. This site is dedicated to all of Asia (including the Middle East), as well as Australia and New Zealand. It is visually appealing, user-friendly and highly functional. The site has over 10 databases with 50 search features. You can upload, post and search every country in Asia for schools, jobs, resumes, yellow pages (English friendly businesses), general information topics, classifieds and lesson plans. There is also a forum for each country.
Please feel free to visit www.TotalESL.com and�
post your school in our directory under the �School� section at http://www.totalesl.com/showpostingtable.php?postingtype=school
post a job in our �Jobs� section at http://www.totalesl.com/showpostingtable.php?postingtype=job
post your resume at http://www.totalesl.com/showpostingtable.php?postingtype=resume
There is no paid advertising on this site and links are provided only to associations or publishers to promote education and understanding of English in Asia or internationally.
Also, if you have any suggestions or comments, I would greatly welcome them. My goal is to provide a site that is functional and educational without becoming an advertising gimmick.
[email protected]
http://www.TotalESL.com/
First Stop for your Second Language Needs
Post a job for free! Post your school details for free! Post your resume for free! Share a lesson! |
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Stosskraft

Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 252 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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WOW...I loved the 2 informative posts on the Thailand forum and the 0 posts on the Japan forum. Yes Daves and Ajarn better watch out now !! |
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ttlesl

Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: Thanks Stosskraft |
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Thanks for visiting the site Stosskraft and yes, you are right that the forums are still empty but the site was only launched 3 days ago. There is still hope! So far it has had 60 jobs, 30 schools, 10 resumes and 65 lessons posted with 45,000 hits and climbing so it is doing...ok.
Please keep in mind that I know the site can't compete with the "big boys". It wasn't designed to. It was designed as a free, not-for-profit alternative way to share information.
Thanks again!
www.TotalESL.com |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I've always liked the taste of SPAM but I'm not sure others will agree with me. |
Like Dave Sperling, for one? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:41 am Post subject: |
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ttlesl,
Forget the fact that it was opened only a few days ago. It has the look of a site that SHOULD be providing information but isn't.
I mean, I checked on the Japan section, too. No info on visas or travel, and in all of Japan, only 5 jobs listed (2 of which by a known disreputable employer). It isn't that obvious to me that this is a site where info is to be added by others. I felt it was a site that the makers built to GIVE information, but didn't. Perhaps other visitors will see it the same way.
I mean, look at the front page declarations.
TOTAL ESL.
TotalESL is designed to be a valuable and complete source for all the needs of ESL/EFL teachers, students and institutions in Asia.
Rather deceiving. |
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go_ABs

Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 507
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski, give it time. He can't get more info on the site without more people visiting and contributing. He can't get more people contributing without telling people about it. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Oh, yeah, and buy my e-book (see the sig).
What's the etiquette with this? We can freely advertise "not for profit" stuff, but not "for profit" stuff? Or can I go blasting around as I like? Is even having it in my signature too much? I was going by other people having done the same / similar, but I'm still not sure if it's ok. Opinions?
Cheers, |
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2129 Location: 中国
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: reply to go_ABs |
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^ Good question, go_ABs.
For my own peace of mind, I've just reread the official ESL Cafe rules.
There isn't a single word with regard to the posting of links -
either for profit, or otherwise - with the exception of rule #12,
which actually encourages the posting of links.
If there's some kind of unwritten rule, I agree that it should be clarified -
and included in the published rules below:
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski, give it time. He can't get more info on the site without more people visiting and contributing. He can't get more people contributing without telling people about it. Everyone has to start somewhere. |
All I'm saying is that from the first impression a visitor might get from such a site, they would think the creator was supposed to have put those items in it, NOT THE VISITORS. And, it isn't all that hard to slip in a few general web sites on visas and travel, so I question the whole nature of the site, even though it has been up just a few days. How much time did the creator put into its conception? I'm not the only one who will do a search for visa info or travel info and find it lacking...and thereafter highly dubious. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: Rule 12. "There are no rules..." |
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote: |
12. Articles that are more than 300 words may be edited or deleted. Try to keep your comments concise. If an article is longer, post a link and quote only the really important parts to your argument. |
I like the word "may". I have never yet seen any article with more than 300 words in it either edited or deleted through reasons purely to do with exceeding this "word limit".
It seems that the amount of space available for postings is virtually unlimited, thus allowing certain posters to post (via the cut and paste facilities) what are tantamount to other people's speeches, dissertations, treatises or theses here, usually concerning politics, of all things.
Perhaps rule 12 should be re-worded slightly? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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As for posting a link to a for-profit venture, I think Dave would take unkindly to it. Go to the front page of the site and read the info on banner ads and sponsored postings, as well as the main FAQ.
When in doubt, contact Dave himself. |
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2129 Location: 中国
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: reply to Chris |
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^ Pssst. I didn't write that, Dave did.
I just reposted it.
But you're right -
it is a rule that is seldom if ever enforced. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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In the past, i have 'hinted' that i was looking for teachers in threads on the turkey forum. Teachers have responded and they have gained worked through the forum. Is this against the rules? This site was set up, I believe, to help teachers and i have done so. Is this bad? Am i naughty and taking advantage of free advertising? |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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go_ABs wrote: |
Oh, yeah, and buy my e-book (see the sig). |
Looks like a very nice little book, Michael. |
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go_ABs

Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 507
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Henry_Cowell wrote: |
Looks like a very nice little book, Michael. |
Thanks!
So it seems there is no rule against free advertising on Dave's, except the general idea that Dave himself might not like it? Okay, well I feel better about having it in my signature, now.
Cheers all, |
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ttlesl

Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: Please give it time and feel free to contribute |
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It is correct that it has nothing under the general information section in resources but I am hoping that individuals who have advice or information can share it regardless of the topic (Visa, Teaching, Travel, Other).
I envisioned the site as a tool that teachers, schools, etc. could use the site to share information (forum or general info), buy/sell things (classifieds), talk to each other (forums), give information about a business they know (yellow pages) or post resumes/jobs/school info.
I am sorry that it doesn't meet up to some standards but I can only do o much . Regardless, I hope that everyone enjoyed their visit...however short ...to the site.
Thanks.
www.totalesl.com |
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