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cevanne

Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| The internet is still free at yahoo bb. You just have to fill out a small form and they give you a card to use. Happy interneting! |
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Many questions about Osaka! |
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[quote=fox1 wrote:]
[I]s there any reason why foreigners sorta ignore you. I'm not expecting rock-star reception from other foreigners around.. like I say, I have NO judgement about this> I'm just wondering why the 'indifference' for want of a better word. [/quote]
Because they are indifferent to you maybe?
You have just arrived and everything is new and exciting and you haven't really come across many westerners in Japan yet. Many of those you see have been here months and years and you are the 20 000th westerner to have crossed their path in the last 12 months. Why should they stop, greet, or even acknowledge you unless they have some reasopn to believe that they might see you again or especially enjoy your company?
If you lived in a small village everybody would greet you. You live in the middle of a bloody great conurbation. As in London, Paris, New York or Tokyo everybody will ignore you unless they have reason not too - and those people will be the ones that you will probably soon learn to avoid!
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Most docomo phone shops have a couple of internet terminals with free internet usage. |
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fox1
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 268
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Many questions about Osaka! |
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| stillnosheep wrote: |
| fox1 wrote: |
Is there any reason why foreigners sorta ignore you. I'm not expecting rock-star reception from other foreigners around.. like I say, I have NO judgement about this> I'm just wondering why the 'indifference' for want of a better word. |
Because they are indifferent to you maybe?
You have just arrived and everything is new and exciting and you haven't really come across many westerners in Japan yet. Many of those you see have been here months and years and you are the 20 000th westerner to have crossed their path in the last 12 months. Why should they stop, greet, or even acknowledge you unless they have some reasopn to believe that they might see you again or especially enjoy your company?
If you lived in a small village everybody would greet you. You live in the middle of a bloody great conurbation. As in London, Paris, New York or Tokyo everybody will ignore you unless they have reason not too - and those people will be the ones that you will probably soon learn to avoid!
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thanks for the explanation but may I say this:
I know everything you wrote, and it doesn:t alter my point of view
Yes.... AFTER ME living here for 2 years, I MAY VERY well still give a foreigner an occasional smile
Like I say, I am well aware of your point of view
I don't happen to agree with the sentiment. "You have just arrived and everything is new and exciting and you haven't really come across many westerners in Japan yet. Many of those you see have been here months and years and you are the 20 000th westerner to have crossed their path in the last 12 months. Why should they stop, greet, or even acknowledge you unless they have some reasopn to believe that they might see you again or especially enjoy your company? " I just don't happen to see things quite like that. That's cool.
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edit: also... here is just some food for thought to go a bit more into this......:
Suppose you were looking for something as a just-arrived foreigner in Tokyo or Osaka. And suppose you were to say to a foreigner who, let's say, looks very long-lived in Japan!! "Excuse me, sorry to trouble you, do you know where the nearest ......... is"... what do you think might be the reaction from that guy? Some smug maybe??????? yes? no? yes? I have no problem with whatever reaction the guy has (it's his thing), but that doesn't mean I can't talk about it. If there's some 'attitude' and anything other than 'yeah sure, let me help this guy' within reason, then maybe one can simply ask why, in SOME cases, are there peculiar reasons for it
edit#2+ many thanks for the help with the internet questions |
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cevanne

Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think foreigners ignore other foreigners on principal.... I think it's like some others have stated. If you live in a big city and are busy, or had a hard day you kinda ignore everyone. Unless you need help, or think someone is really interesting, or you're looking to make friends you probably don't talk to every person you meet. Do you do this in your home town? I sure don't. I smile at people I know, or when I'm in a really good mood I smile at random people. And I am a friendly and outgoing person! Here in Osaka sometimes I do smile at people, Japanese and gaijin. I've even stopped to help people who look lost etc. Sometimes, I don't. If I'm having a tough day, unless someone initiates conversation with me, I tend to not look or smile at anyone! Maybe I had a hard day at work and am working hard at trying not to fall asleep on the train I don't think you're being snubbed. At least I don't feel like I'm snubbing people or being snubbed. Don't take it personally, you're just living in a big city where people are busy. I bet if you ask other people about it at work etc... they will tell you the same thing I did. |
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blue jay

Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 119 Location: Vancouver, formerly Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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8. I'd kinda like to join a pool, so I can in theory (!) go swimming every day... do you know the best, and good-value place, where I can just go swimming. I:m not too interested in the gym, but I'd kinda like to go to a pool on a regular basis? That type of thing exist/common?
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Try these:
Tsurumiryokuchi Pool
ZIP 538-0036 1-ban-37-go Tsurumi-ryokuchi-koen, Tsurumi-ku, Osaka City (At Tsurumiryokuchi Expo '90 Commemorative Park)
TEL:06-6915-4721
Open 9:00〜21:00
Monday, Tuesday if Monday is a holiday; New Year's holidays
Subway: close to Tsurumi-ryokuchi Station on Nagahori-tsurumi-ryokuchi Line
Even in winter or during rainy weather, once you set one foot inside, it is always summer. An indoor swimming pool, it is a full-scale leisure pool equipped with a running water pool, a wave pool, a 77 meter water slide as well as a Jacuzzi and Sleeping Pool.
Sports Facilities in the Hanshin Area
http://www.hyogo-ip.or.jp/livingguide/html/en/en14-04.htm
Sports in Osaka
http://www.tourism.city.osaka.jp/en/enjoy_osaka/attractions/sports/more/index.html
Swimming Pools
http://www.sisf.minoh.osaka.jp/OISPTA/Welcome/entertainment.htm
Sports (Swimming Pools) in Kyoto
http://www.kcif.or.jp/en/benri/04_07.html#1
When I lived in Japan, I swam at an indoor swimming pool near Osaka Castle, or at an outdoor swimming pool in Kurakuen-guchi. There was also a swimming pool near Fushimi Momoyama. I tried looking for information on these pools but was unable to find any. Perhaps someone else can identify the names of these pools. The one near Osaka Castle, is very nice, it has a sauna and hot tub. It is great for doing laps. The outdoor pool near Kurakuen guchi is smaller but nice in the summer for a cool dip in the water. The one near Fushimi Momoyama I believe is quite busy with kids but also not too bad. I wish I could remember the names of them.. |
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Dominique

Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 141 Location: Juso, Osaka
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:31 am Post subject: |
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You need to have your gaijin card in order to get free internet at Yahoo BB.
You can use Popeye, 24 hour internet cafe. It's cheaper than 400yen.. I dont recall how much though.. but you pay per 1/2 hour.
there was an internet cafe I went to in Namba, it was 100 yen for an hour. |
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Dominique

Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 141 Location: Juso, Osaka
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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OK.I found the information on the pass you are talking about:
One Day Pass and No My Car Pass.
It's only available every Friday and on the 20th of every month.
If the 20th falls on a Sunday or National Holiday, then it's the following day.
One Day Pass : 850 yen/ adults 430/ for kids from 6-11
No MY Car Pass: 600 for adults/ no ticket for children.
It's Unlimited Travel for one full day excludes Osaka Transport System line between Osakako and Nakafuto.
You can buy it on any day, but only able to use it on the friday or 20th. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| cevanne wrote: |
| I don't think foreigners ignore other foreigners on principal.... |
Think again.
I've been here quite a while so I usually know to give other foreigners plenty of space if it looks like I might be spoiling their "My Very Own Personal Japan Experience." But on the way back from work today I was taking a side road to avoid traffic and I saw another foreign guy coming up the practically deserted street. He kept looking upwards as he was walking so I thought he might be looking for a particular building or street sign. No. He just didn't want to look at another foreigner. When I met his glance the first time to see if he was lost he immediately turned his gaze skyward again. Thinking it strange but still giving him the benefit of the doubt I simply nodded as he got closer. Oh, man. Big mistake. At this second intrusion he scowled at me like I just offered him money for sex with his mother ...
(Prompting shuize to self: Do you know this guy? Are you sure you've never had sex with his mother? Maybe you did and forgot to pay...)
It's one thing not to want to associate with other foreigners. But staring at the sky and getting mad about having to acknowledge their existence means you're not only an ass but loony, too. |
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fox1
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 268
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
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hey guys
do you know where I can get 'stuff'... foreign stuff.. in Osaka. I went to Cave de Yamaya today and it's not bad... cheap, but not out of this world great or anything.
To be honest, I'm looking for some good shaving cream, 'something' else and some Australian wine. It's up to them, but Yamaya only has German, Californian, French (lots of French) and Spanish wines. Whatever> more for everyone else but I'd go to Tokyo to get Aus wine if I had to.. I want to get a gift |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| hey guys ;)To be honest, I'm looking for some good shaving cream, 'something' else and some Australian wine. It's up to them, but Yamaya only has German, Californian, French (lots of French) and Spanish wines. Whatever> more for everyone else but I'd go to Tokyo to get Aus wine if I had to.. I want to get a gift |
Village Cellars, importers of Australian and new Zealand wine. Takes a couple of days to deliver from warehouse in Toyama-ken
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fg20050408wc.htm |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Try Costco in Amagasaki. Take the JR to Amagasaki and then take city bus #24 to the Carrefour shopping center. The bus stop's name is Gosanda (I think) or two stops past Tsugiya. The thing is, you have to be a member to shop there, which costs 4000 yen per year. Or you could go there with someone who already has a membership. They have lots of wines and other foreign goods there, usually at good prices. But because it's a wholesaler, you might be stuck with larger quantites than you want/need/can use. |
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fox1
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 268
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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thanks guys.. cool> I will go there and check it out.. and the wine place sounds very interesting..
Does anyone else know some other good places: in Osaka, where to go for that whole "foreign goods" stuff.. (I don't need anything other than a couple of minor things, but still!) |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: |
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thanks guys.. cool> I will go there and check it out.. and the wine place sounds very interesting..
Does anyone else know some other good places: in Osaka, where to go for that whole "foreign goods" stuff.. (I don't need anything other than a couple of minor things, but still!) |
Judging from your original post, it looks like you've only been in Osaka for about a month. In case you don't know, Amagasaki is only two stations away from Umeda by the local JR train (or one stop away by express), and it shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes to get there. That's about how long it takes to get from Umeda to Namba on the subway.
You also might need to consider the possibility that people have already told you just about everything they know regarding where to buy foreign goods in the city. Seeing that this IS Japan, those "minor things" you wish to buy might not even be sold here at all. I strongly recommend checking out Costco or getting your family back home to mail these items to you. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| fox1 wrote: |
thanks guys.. cool> I will go there and check it out.. and the wine place sounds very interesting..
Does anyone else know some other good places: in Osaka, where to go for that whole "foreign goods" stuff.. (I don't need anything other than a couple of minor things, but still!) |
The basement floor of Hankyu department store in Umeda has an imported foods section. I have bought Vegemite and Muesli there. Is rather on the expensive side but you have to be willing to pay through the nose for it in a department store. |
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