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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Sour Grape,


Don't flatter yourself. I have been here way to long to give a toss.



Enjoy,
s
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fox1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: friendly Reply with quote

Marika wrote:
I say hi to most people here. I'm friendly and outgoing so when I'm out walking its just a thing I do. I never see any of the Japanese people give me that same smug look some of the foreigners give me. I've started bursting out laughing cause it's so funny how some of them give you that...smug look on there face. Ahhhhhh get over it.
I find all people interesting especially when there of another culture. I adore culture.


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fox1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:
One thing I don't understand whenever this issue comes up is as follows. If a Japanese person wants to make idle conversation with a foreigner, he/she is often condemned as a language leech. But if another foreigner tries to start a conversation, it seems I am expected to welcome it.

Anyway, I'll try to help foreigners who seem to me to be lost, but I don't want strangers to greet me in the street for no other reason than us both being expats. Sweetsee and others can analyse that all they want.


i don't see the harm in it.

Is it a crime to smile at somebody.

Who said life has to be all sour faces on the streets

Why ... on the planet earth, can one not just smile at a fellow (no matter how hard you try.. he is indeed a FELLOW foreigner) foreigner? Break the rules. Life is too short
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fox1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by the way, i'm not saying it's (or it should be>) mandatory to smile...... but not not mandatory
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SEndrigo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen Fox1 !!

I agree wholeheartedly, life is indeed too short!

I often smile or nod my head at foreigners here...I just want them to know I understand what it's like to live here and be an "outsider."

Regarding Tokyo trains, it would be great if people starting talking to each other...it's too bloody quiet and impersonal on the trains.

I sometimes have long days as well....I'm sometimes tired as well...but that doesn't mean I have to be rude to other people who want to talk.

One of the greatest things I've seen on a Tokyo train is a group of Japanese from South America speaking Spanish loudly, laughing, and acting obnoxiously during rush hour.

that's what life is about, not some self-righteous "I'm too cool to talk to you" attitude, from foreigners or Japanese !
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right-on Fox and SEndrigo,


Hope I run into you all some day, won't be on a train though.
'Spreading the religeon and spreading the soul,
gotta keep it moving cause we're on a roll.'




Enjoy yourselves,
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SEndrigo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

too right Sweetsee !

if you're ever in the Tokyo area give me a shout !!

or if you ever see a loud foreigner who looks like he could be Italian mafia, that's me Smile
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right-on Brother,

Don't make it in to Tokyo much anymore,
and when I do it's just in and out.
'Feeling over-confident and making a scene
with your shock-blue eyes and your tambourine.'


Enjoy yourself,
s
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I have always been shy, I don't make an effort to approach any strangers on the street. However, if I make eye contact with a fellow gaijin than I will give 'em a smile and a little downwards nod- like a little mini-bow with my head it seems, that is opposite from in the States where I'd give a little "what's up!" upwards head nod.
I must admit, it is a little uncomfortable though to go a few days or so without seeing a non-asian than suddenly one starts to walk towards you. Its like my eyes are just casually glancing at the beautiful Japanese girls I pass, reading funny engrish t-shirts and checking out peoples' fashions then suddenly oh! a Westerner! My eyes automatically start to look down, across the way, then I think to myself, hey, don't be stupid, just look at him or her the same as you have everyone else, so I do if only for a second or two then if we make eye contact, I'll do my little smile and nod and most of the time I don' get any reaction at all but sometimes I'll get a smile back. It's only when I am by myself when I go through this whole "what do I do with my eyes!" crisis. If I am with a group, than its not a problem.
but as another poster pointed out, as shy as I am, I have no problem sharing this with the hundreds, potentially millions of strangers that may read this online!
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know exactly what you mean Jojo, good description.

I enjoyed reading your post about the rave party in the park.
Seems like Osaka is where Tokyo was about 6 years ago when we had free parties every Sunday night in Yoyogi Park, in addition to all the parties at the beach and in the mountains. They still have them but I hear the vibe has changed. Now, I hear there are lots of fights and ripping off. Heard recently that gangs go around and steal everything in people's tents now, or have done; money, drugs, audio equipment, everything.

Used to be unreal. Two or three night raves in beautiful campgrounds, everybody camping and cooking, hanging out. They had the trance stage and chill-out stage with visual art. Times change but I am glad I was able to experience it before it did. Glad to hear the vibe is still cool there and that you are enjoying it, enshalla.


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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I often smile or nod my head at foreigners here...I just want them to know I understand what it's like to live here and be an "outsider."


How do they know you live here and are not just visiting? For that matter, how do you know they aren't also just tourists?

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i don't see the harm in it.

Is it a crime to smile at somebody.

Don't take aversion to look at you or smile as smugness, rudeness, or self-isolation. Some people are from countries or regions where eye contact is not a good or safe thing. And, in this day and age of terrorism, some people may not get the friendly looks or smiles just because of their appearances.

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Regarding Tokyo trains, it would be great if people starting talking to each other...it's too bloody quiet and impersonal on the trains.

This is not a unique feature to Japan. How boisterous are total strangers on public transportation in other countries?

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One thing I don't understand whenever this issue comes up is as follows. If a Japanese person wants to make idle conversation with a foreigner, he/she is often condemned as a language leech. But if another foreigner tries to start a conversation, it seems I am expected to welcome it.

Anyway, I'll try to help foreigners who seem to me to be lost, but I don't want strangers to greet me in the street for no other reason than us both being expats. Sweetsee and others can analyse that all they want.

I second that entire quote, Sour Grape!
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SEndrigo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,

You needn't live in Japan to be friendly and smile at people. Whether or not I live here is not the issue, just that I try to be friendly to other foreigners.

And as for people being boisterous on trains, in every country I've been to except Japan, people were talking, laughing, and generally having a good time on the trains.

Actually, I don't think it's a Japan thing, it may just be a Tokyo thing, as people in Kansai trains seem to be more lively and friendly.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello SEndrigo,

Word. You defininely have the right idea, brother.
It takes less effort to smile than to frown.
And to borrow a prase from Spidey:
Positivism is contagious!


Enjoy yourselves,
s
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo,
I replied to exactly what you wrote.
Quote:
I often smile or nod my head at foreigners here...I just want them to know I understand what it's like to live here and be an "outsider."

That seemed to suggest that you greet people to point out that you LIVE here. Hence, my reply. If you meant something else, you didn't convey that thought.

And, yes, you are right with...
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You needn't live in Japan to be friendly and smile at people.

...But that was not the point.

As for boisterous people on trains, I have ridden trains and subways across the USA, Belgium, Scotland, England, Mexico, and Japan. Only in Mexico were people the least bit outgoing. As a rule, people tend to stick to themselves on public transportation, so it is NOT a Japan thing, nor is it a Tokyo thing.
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SEndrigo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone on public transporation has to go out of their way to talk to others....I'm just saying that from my experience, Tokyo is the only place where I can walk into a train and meet a sea of blank emotionless faces.

Sure, some people talk, but that seems to be the exception rather than the norm.

I am sure there are other places in the world where people do not talk on the trains....it's just that I haven't ever seen such a place Smile
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