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Midlothian Mapleheart
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tw
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Midlothian Mapleheart wrote: |
| Waaagh! It's all in Chinese, and I'm illiterate! Tell us the juicy bits, please! |
I can't read simplified Chinese too well. Hey! Those of you with Chinese wife, get your wifey to translate!  |
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sigmoid
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Increased regulation of this nature only discourages potential teachers from coming to a country that already has difficulty attracting them. |
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cujobytes
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:27 am Post subject: |
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I would treat lightly information given on a private business web page.
Love to see what it says about FEs taking photos in China.
My guess is that it would be good for a laugh, but not much else.
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tw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| I would treat lightly information given by a private board. |
Actually, that is a government organization, or at least affliated with SAFEA. It is based on that board's postings that we now have employers asking for medical reports to be submitted before the FT's were to arrive in China. |
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cujobytes
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, that is a government organization, or at least affliated with SAFEA. |
It looks to me like a recruitment agency or a private placement agency or an immigration company. How do you know they are associated with SAFEA? |
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tw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| It looks to me like a recruitment agency or a private placement agency or an immigration company. How do you know they are associated with SAFEA? |
Because the information they post on the FAQ page are what employers call "government regulations". |
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cujobytes
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My point TW, is that if it is a private business web page (and I'm just assuming, as I don't read Chinese) the information could be terribly out of date or inaccurate as the private companies like to put up as much information as possible.
It makes people think they know what they're talking about. I'm not saying that is the case here, just that I would be dubious about any information that wasn't actually on an official government website.
The regulations regarding foreigners taking photos intrigues me, I'd love to know what they are. If it's the old military institute stuff then it's old news. Somehow I can't imagine them, in this day and age, imposing more regulations in that field. ( are we now only allowed to take photos of approved tourist parks for example, I doubt it) That all sounds a bit fishy. |
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cujobytes
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| tw wrote: |
| cujobytes wrote: |
| It looks to me like a recruitment agency or a private placement agency or an immigration company. How do you know they are associated with SAFEA? |
Because the information they post on the FAQ page are what employers call "government regulations". |
So my question is, how up to date is this information?
How did you find this site?
Is this a raft of new rules or a raft of old rules? |
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tw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| cujobytes wrote: |
| So my question is, how up to date is this information? |
Well, the posting date is the last few days. As to whether these are new regulations, updated regulations, or as I pointed out in my first post, pure REMINDERS, your guess is as good as mine. I can only understand so much simplified Chinese characters and from the posts I read, they seemed 'old'. Unless of course, trivial issues such as contract contents were never regulated before.
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| How did you find this site? |
Back when I was applying for a job with a university in Dalian, the FAO gave me the URL www.caiep.org/faq/content.php?id=10609 when I questioned this thing about needing to get a medical exam done abroad before going to China. He told me that was one of the "new government regulations".
So, I interpret that as saying CAIEP.ORG does, in some form, have some authority in setting regulations, or at least the regulations it post on the FAQ page come from the Chinese authorities.
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| Is this a raft of new rules or a raft of old rules? |
Tell you what, why not ask your wife to translate for you? |
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cujobytes
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| Tell you what, why not ask your wife to translate for you |
I would but she doesn't speak english and I don't read Chinese.  |
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Volodiya
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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tw, this is now starting to get out of hand. You know I appreciate you and your efforts to understand the processes and procedures employed in China in the hiring of FTs, along with the rest of us, but "Chicken Little" is starting to come to mind, I'm sorry to say.
Why all this alarmist behavior? Things are always in a state of flux here. Teachers are recruited, brought to China and processed, according to the practices and procedures at the place of their work. It's often different, from place to place, but the employers and the authorities work it out, to get the teachers documented, in accordance with Chinese Law and Administrative Practice.
You are not doing anybody a service to keep going, "My god, my god, look at this!" Newbies have no idea what you're talking about, they just notice your alarm and concern which, in my opinion, is misplaced and misguided, at this point. |
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tw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Volodiya wrote: |
| You are not doing anybody a service to keep going, "My god, my god, look at this!" Newbies have no idea what you're talking about, they just notice your alarm and concern which, in my opinion, is misplaced and misguided, at this point. |
Sorry if I gave people that impression. I was just trying to being attention to of possible "new regulations" should employers or recruiters ever mention them, and where the employers/recruiters might be quoting the information from. Nothing more, really. As far as I could tell, nothing I read were news. They were all pretty well standard. Maybe the reason for them being posted was to ensure that schools would follow regulations closely to avoid FT's from complaining. |
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cj750
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Foreign teachers can take pictures of daily life and famous views but not for resale of photos...if the FT wants to take these kind of photos..the FT must register with the Chinese culture office..or that is the best I can do about the photos...
as to what this is....
The China Association for International Exchange of Personnel (CAIEP) is a nationwide government-sponsored institution engaged in the international exchange of specialized technical and managerial personnel. CAIEP's main tasks are to invite foreign experts to work in China, designate Chinese managerial and technical personnel to go abroad for practical training, assist Chinese and foreign organizations in developing friendly exchange and business relations, and arrange for foreign friends to engage in research, training, and study in China. The aim of the Association is to promote exchange and cooperation between China and other nations in the fields of industry, agriculture, finance, science and technology, education, medicine, and culture through the international exchange of personnel. These goals contribute to China's reform, opening to the world, and modernization, and to the advancement of human civilization in general.
The China Association for International Exchange of Personnel has always been vigorously supported by the Chinese Government and it is under the direct guidance of the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs. The Association has established its branches in every province, autonomous region, and municipality directly under the Central Government, as well as in related ministries under the leadership of the State Council. It has also established offices in the United States, Canada, Russia, Germany, The United Kingdom, Australia, Israel, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong. The association has established close relations and cooperation with social organizations, research institutes, universities, and enterprises in more than fifty nations and regions. Its services are spreading throughout the world. The highest authority in the Association is its Administrative Council. Its Secretariat executes the decisions of the Administration Council and is in charge of daily activities.
Zhang Jinfu, former State Councilor, is the current Chairman of CAIEP. Members of the Board of Directors are responsible members of various ministries and related organizations. |
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