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Is An Academic Transcript Adequate?

 
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ashajade



Joined: 26 Dec 2004
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Location: NZ

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Is An Academic Transcript Adequate? Reply with quote

Hi There,

I am arriving in Taipei on the 20th August to look for a job. I don't have my degree certificate yet as it is being conferred on the 29th of August by my university council. It will be sent out to me two weeks later (roughly the 15th of September).

I do have an academic transcript and an official certificate of completion from the university. Both of these documents state that I am awaiting conferment of my degree and that I have completed.

Do you think the academic record and certificate of completion would be adequate if I found a job and needed to apply for a work permit/ARC? I am going on a visitor visa valid for 60 days.

How long does the work permit and ARC process take? Days or weeks?

Also, if anyone knows of any good jobs in Taichung or Tainan please let me know Smile

Kind Regards,
ashajade
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clark.w.griswald



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is another question that has been asked and answered many times before.

The simple answer to your question is 'No'.

For a more detailed answer I suggest you use the search function on this site.
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ashajade



Joined: 26 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply Clark.W.

Actually, I have searched for the an answer to these questions and found nothing helpful.

Thanks,
Asha
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Aristotle



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact is that many of the bureaucrats in the Council of Labor affairs or even the Ministry of Education who are responsible for approving your credentials as an English teacher can't understand English and have no idea how the world outside of Taiwan works, nor do they care.
If it looks like a real degree then it is and if it doesn't then it's not. You can supply all the other documents you want but without some thing that looks like a certified degree your application will not be approved.
You must have a copy of that piece of paper to obtain the sanction of the occupational government on Taiwan.
My advice is not to worry about it. The central government has very little control of Taiwan and the locals will often ignore the laws or regulations whenever they obstruct them in their endeavors.
Get a Multiple Entry Visa for business purposes then come and find a job. Explain the situation to your perspective employer, I suspect it will not hamper your efforts at finding a job.
Your biggest problem will be the same as all the other people on Taiwan. That is finding a good job that pays well.
Wages and benefits have been stagnate or in decline on Taiwan for some time now and the situation is not improving.
Good luck!
A.
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clark.w.griswald



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
The fact is that many of the bureaucrats in the Council of Labor affairs or even the Ministry of Education who are responsible for approving your credentials as an English teacher can't understand English and have no idea how the world outside of Taiwan works, nor do they care.
If it looks like a real degree then it is and if it doesn't then it's not. You can supply all the other documents you want but without some thing that looks like a certified degree your application will not be approved.


It is comments like this that indicate to me just how little Aristotle really knows about the CLA in Taiwan.

Firstly, the staff members of the CLA involved in the processing of our paperwork are very much fluent in English.

Secondly, the process of determining whether or not a tertiary institution is accredited or not, is very simple for the staff in the CLA. They merely type the name of the information into their database and that tells them. I personally have used this database for confirming whether or not an institution is accredited. The information in the database is put together here in Taiwan.

Finally, the staff at the CLA never actually see your original documentation. The employer is the one responsible for confirming that you have a degree. The CLA would only ever ask to sight the original if there were concerns about the validity of your degree. I believe that the requirement for the actual diploma certificate is not an unreasonable requirement as it can be very difficult for someone not from that institution to determine the validity of an academic transcript.

Aristotle wrote:
My advice is not to worry about it. The central government has very little control of Taiwan and the locals will often ignore the laws or regulations whenever they obstruct them in their endeavors.


This is a good example of why I have such a problem with Aristotles posts. He is entitled to his opinion but I find his posts irresponsible at times. Anyone following the above advice could be put in a potentially difficult situation.

It is clear that the actual degree certificate is a requirement. Any school that doesn't know this, or is willing to lie to the government and say that they have seen your diploma when they haven't is not the sort of school that you want to work for. Without a copy of your degree, your application for a work permit would be returned to you. This would result in a huge cost to you as you wait for your certificate to arrive and possibly undertake a couple of visa runs. All of that trouble for nothing.

I wonder if Aristotle would be willing to put his money where his mouth is and actually cover your costs if you followed his advice and found that things were not the way that he describes.

Aristotle wrote:
Get a Multiple Entry Visa for business purposes then come and find a job. Explain the situation to your perspective employer, I suspect it will not hamper your efforts at finding a job.


You cannot teach legally on a business visa. It is unclear whether you can change a business visa into a resident visa while in Taiwan. You are much better off arriving on a visitors visa for travel purposes as this is a proven method of working in Taiwan.

Aristotle wrote:
Wages and benefits have been stagnate or in decline on Taiwan for some time now and the situation is not improving.


The evidence suggests otherwise and Aritotle has never supported this claim. Until he does I will continue to point out that this is not a factual account of work in Taiwan.
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Mysteriousdeltarays



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually in Taiwan...all they care about is cute. If you start shoving papers at them them they get nervous.

Cute is the key. I hope that you are female. That would help a lot! Zero experience would also be a plus. You might consider overstaying, that too is a plus because then you can be a slave!

The only qualifications there are young , "cute" this could be a variety of things, and most importantly... young and cute. Games are very big in Taiwan, they term them "activities" relay race etc.

It is in short a baby sitting operation. A flash card would work for the idea of grape. There buy a bunch of grapes you can spend the whole hour handing out one grape at a time to each kid who says grape. This is considered fine teaching.

Don't worry about it, no matter what you were promised it won't be more than ten hours a week. You'll be ten houring a week all over the place while you replace whoever just drifted in to play games, reley race for grape.

I hated that place, actually I like Taiwan a lot, the jobs there. It was awfull, even worse if you actually care. It was mind boggling screwed up.

I was interviewed by a head teacher at we'll leave the name of the school out who told me "I aint got me no nothing to do on a Friday night." Another one who told me "Them seals be mighty fine eating."

Taiwan is a cool place in a way, I always liked the food although everybody else hated it. It's a good place if you can angle on this guy who told me "I didn't use to be a native speaker, but now I be one, hey dude I be busy." Another "head Teacher" at a major chain. The use part is not me mistyping.

I aint got me no nothing to do on a Friday night. They don't like papers there. The younger, cuter, the more tatts, the more hip hop you seem, they want body piercing as long as it's purely Caucasion.
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