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ESL teachers - life in Japan. A question.
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JezzaYouBeauty!!



Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK...Takibansei....now honestly, just calmly....

When have I said I hate Japan? When have I said I can't stand Japan? When have I said Japanese have been mean to me? When have I said Korea is better than Japan? When have I said I am going back to Korea?

You have no idea of MY academic background, and the things I have done, seen and learnt so far. You painted a picture as if I am your typical, dumb, idiot, newbie teacher....who just can't hack it. You don't know me or many others in a similar position. Lay off.

People who are wondering things like 'Taiwan vs Korea vs Japan' etc, are gonna get info from this thread. People sometimes ask about other foreigners, and the possibility of making good friends teaching abroad....and they're gonna get info from this thread.

And then you have to go and ruin the thread, with the big attack on me.

It is quite hard not to get berated on these forums. So what....I have to get a masters degree, learn japanese fluently, develop good connections, move to Tokyo.....before you'll respect anything I say on this forum. Is that it?

Was it me who brought up the topics of racism and discrimination in Japan on this forum?

I don't know why for some reason you are threatened by me, or Korea, or newbie teachers or whatever.........just go easy, mate.
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Speed



Joined: 04 Jul 2003
Posts: 152
Location: Shikoku Land

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer your OP Jezz:

I pretty much had the situation you described. Great job at an eikawa, little stress, both J and G friends and frequent nights out at 'the bar'.

Although the bar was a 15 minute bike ride away and I hit it about twice a week, it was a happy place that many of my aquaintances and friends used to gather.

As for the cost of going out being 10,000 a night - no way for me.
If I was going to the bar I was looking at about 2,000 yen = 3 strong drinks and some kara-age snacks or ramen on the way home.

I also used to easily save about 100,000 yen.

Yes Jezz, it's possible.
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Brooks



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Posts: 1369
Location: Sagamihara

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to do that, but that was 3-4 years ago.
One thing with Japan is that people come and go, and your scene can disappear.
But I work six days a week. That is why I make more than many teachers.
You can`t have it all in this business.

With going out, it gets expensive, and 3 days a week gets tiring.
Once or twice a week is enough.

To go out that involves a train ride to at least one station.
Who walks home after drinking? Nobody I know, and that means last call can be early.
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SEndrigo



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jezza,

Another good topic!

I now teach business classes in and around Tokyo...is it satisfying? yes, most of the time. The pay is great. The flexibility is great. But it's part-time. No job is perfect (though Zzonkmiles' job looks quite good), and no country is perfect.

As for having a tight-knit group of friends, I have a few good foreign friends and a few Japanese friends. Everyone else is just an acquaintence.

But to be honest, the only way to make a close Japanese friend (from my experience) is to speak really good Japanese....but it's not only language barrier, it's a cultural and social barrier as well.

Of course it can be done, there are many kind and interesting people here, and I don't regret coming here at all.

Give Japan some time, you'll go through highs and lows, I think just after the one-year mark is very important as it will determine whether you really want to stay here longer.
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Mark



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 500
Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zzonkmiles wrote:
I like my job very much.

I currently work at a senmon gakko (technical college), so I'm working with the student age group that I'm most comfortable with (the 18-30 crowd; no kids, no teenagers, no middle-aged salarymen, and no obasans). The staff there are quite friendly and I am respected as an actual teacher there by the students and staff, rather than just hired help or a conversation partner like at an eikaiwa. The office ladies even bring me tea, orange juice, and snacks--something that is still taking some getting used to.


Hi Zzonk,

Just curious, your students are 18-30? I was under the impression that students at semmon gakko were all 18-20 or so who opted for semmon gakko rather than university. That's largely why I never pursued work in that environment. Where do the 20-30 year olds come from? Are they people upgrading their skills? Studying part-time? Thanks for any info.
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Zzonkmiles



Joined: 05 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Hi Zzonk,

Just curious, your students are 18-30? I was under the impression that students at semmon gakko were all 18-20 or so who opted for semmon gakko rather than university. That's largely why I never pursued work in that environment. Where do the 20-30 year olds come from? Are they people upgrading their skills? Studying part-time? Thanks for any info.


Mark,

About 2/3 of my students are 18-22 and fresh out of high school. However, there are several students in the mid and upper 20s who either already attended a regular college and either graduated from it or transferred to the senmon gakko. There are also a few older students (upper 20s to mid 30s) who have been out in the working world for awhile, but wanted to change jobs and are attending the senmon gakko to receive the proper training.

As for the students' motivation levels, because the students are studying something they are really interested in (either nursing, music, sports, physical therapy, etc.), they tend to be quite keen on studying and are attentive. However, that's their attitude in their other classes. English is a required course for them, and not all of them see the relevance of English for their jobs. So that can be tough.

Also, at least at my school, students are not divided by their level. So I have to deal with multi-level classes. Most of the students there are the equivalent of a NOVA level 7B, 7A or 6 student. However, there are a handful of students in each class who have studied abroad or something and are considerably more advanced. So I have to make the lessons hard enough to challenge the more advanced students, but not too difficult that it will alienate the less advanced ones. It's a good challenge and a good job, otherwise though.

I hope this answered your question.
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Mark



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 500
Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Zzonk,

Yeah, that answered it, and thanks for that.
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markle



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Posts: 1316
Location: Out of Japan

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jezza
I detect a couple issues going on in the background here. You're married to Japanese woman right? and that's why you're in rural Kyushu, and probably why you aren't going out drinking 3 nights a week. There was a reason you left Korea and that reason is still relevant, especially with a wife in tow.
Sounds to me that you are grappling more with lifestyle changes rather than geographic issues.
Personally if you're interested in party life then I say Thailand, you know the country, there are plenty of Japanese there so your wife will have people to relate to, just forget making money for your future.
But for the long haul, Japan offers much more. Hard to break into for sure but not impossible.
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Ryumicko



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"You painted a picture as if I am your typical, dumb, idiot, newbie teacher....who just can't hack it."


Hey, Im one of those...be nice Laughing
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 4672
Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryumicko wrote:
"You painted a picture as if I am your typical, dumb, idiot, newbie teacher....who just can't hack it."


Hey, Im one of those...be nice Laughing


Mick,

people on working holidays thinking of coming here for work arent teachers, they are working tourists who happen to be able to get part time work teaching English on their visa and you don't even have a working holiday visa yet.


Where does this 'I'm a newbie teacher" come from?"

Buy a ticket, come to Japan first, get your feet wet, get some training and actually start teaching students. Don't just talk about doing it but actually do it.

Then you can really say you are a "newbie" how is making a serious attempt at teaching and working here. A person who has not even done that is not a teacher but a "wannabe".
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