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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The place I live, Kunming, is a city of four million that is neither polluted, nor dirty. It is a modern, Chinese city with lots of very tall buildings and wide streets. In fact, it is quite a nice place to live. My apt is located on the edge of Green Lake Park, in the center of the city. The entire province offers places of stunning beauty for short visits. It's really not necessary to live in any one of the "six of the ten most polluted cities in the world", to live and work in China.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestin g post but slightly misleading.
FIrst of all, of course KUNMING HAS ITS POLLUTION PROBLEMS TOO. Can you sweim in Lak Dian? I wouldn't dare!
And airborne construction dust and exhaust gases render Kunming's air as bad as almost any CHinese city's.

In JAN WONG'S book about her years in CUlt Revol.ution China she states that in those bad old days at least one problem didn't exist: air pollution (although it must have existed then too as people used coal bricks to heat their homes and to cook).
She returned there shortly after Deng's taking power with the attendant changes to the economy; 25 years back, and she already noticed a HUGE diffrerence in the quality of air: she couldn't see the Fragrant Hills 25 kms away from her downtown office.

BUt I do agree with you that the air in general is better in Kunming than in Peking or Shanghai (let alone Guangzhou!). Every time I go to Kunming I feel like my lungs are being cleansed.

BUt there aren't enough jobs on offer for all of us who would love to move there.
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Zero Hero



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volodiya wrote:
The place I live, Kunming, is a city of four million that is neither polluted, nor dirty.

From (my emphasis):

http://www.blacksmithinstitute.org/chinamore.shtml#kunming

"Kunming

Pollution issues here are more obvious than in the larger Beijing. Water pollution is very visible, with local rivers through the city stagnant, black, and stinking. The canals through the center of town down to the lake in the south are saturated with sewage and municipal waste. The lake is full of sewage and resulting bloom."
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
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And airborne construction dust and exhaust gases render Kunming's air as bad as almost any CHinese city's.

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Every time I go to Kunming I feel like my lungs are being cleansed.

Not sure which it is, Roger? The second would be the one I'd go with, based on living here for eighteen months, now.

As for the water quality of Lake Dian, it is a very large lake, lying to the south of the city, surrounded by farmland- fertilizers drain into it- making it a fertile place for algae to grow, coloring the water green. No one swims in it. The "canals"- drainage ditches with embankments, really- are not places to swim, either.

Neither adversely affects the overall quality of life which we enjoy, here.


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NickH



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero Hero wrote:
Babala wrote:
Nick. Jiangyin city is listed as one of the cleanest cities in China.

The important caveat here is 'in China'. In the context of Mainland China, 'one of the cleanest' can be paraphrased equally as well with 'one of the least polluted'.

"In a new book on China's environment, "The River Runs Black," a Council on Foreign Relations scholar, Elizabeth Economy, documents how two-thirds of Chinese cities have air quality below World Health Organization standards, by far the worst rate of any large country in the world. By some measures, at least six of the world's 10 most polluted cities are in China, including Beijing and Urumqi. Several have the highest rates of airborne carbon monoxide in the world. The country's environmental agency says that living in Chinese cities with the worst air pollution does more damage to an average Chinese person's lungs than smoking two packs of cigarettes a day."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31072-2004Sep18.html


This is one of my gravest concerns about China in the long-term, (in terms of its future as a nation and society; not my short term stay/job there). That and its dismal human rights record and totalitarian government, of course. I saw that book in a bookstore the other day, I'd like to read it.
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2 over lee



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the link provided above>

"By 2020, about 550,000 Chinese will be dying prematurely of chronic bronchitis from airborne pollution, and tens of millions will be affected by respiratory distress, Economy writes. Toxic drinking water may be responsible for the astronomical rates of cancer in provinces like Anhui. Most farmers in central China may be forced off their land within a decade, as the land becomes dry and desertlike."

I hate to do it, but it seems the classical Greek, Biblical, tower of Babel style revenge (insert story from any religion or mythology with this theme, Ali Baba, Daedalus, the Ark) for those who chased their desires with a disregard for everything but their own pride........
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Washington Post article that Zero Hero cites on the previous page also says the following:

"Even Hong Kong, by far the wealthiest part of the country, now frequently suffers from such horrific air pollution that its breathtaking skyline is almost totally obscured on some days."
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2 over lee



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry....err, yes it does.....and you are trying to say what exactly?
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was just an interesting point made in that article. I'd thought that Hong Kong's topography and geographic location might have spared it from the severe pollution problems found in a large inland megalopolis. I guess Hong Kong is just as wild and uncontrolled as the rest of the mainland.
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shatov



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't all that surprising that Hong Kong suffers from pollution problems. Japan suffers from Chinese pollution blown over the Japan sea, creating a permanent haze. Hong Kong is much much closer.
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