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After 135 years experience , can berlitz be wrong ?
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: After 135 years experience , can berlitz be wrong ? Reply with quote

Curious to know what others think about the berlitz method ? Does it work ? What's it like for a teacher to teach this way ? Anyone with experience ?
Thanks
Basil
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berlitz method is outdated garbage, pure charlatanism. (Though I am not sure if it was ever dated. The only reason they have survived is because their clients have been as stupid as the Berlitz method.
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Snoopy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went through two days of Berlitz brainwashing. In my demonstration lesson, I attempted to use realia (coins and notes) as my instructions were to teach three numbers. The person in charge told me that I should not have done that. "That isn't one, it's a pound coin." So what are the students going to do after class? Go into the shops and use money. But Berlitz insisted that the only way to teach numbers was to point to them in the book. Anyhow, I refused the required lobotomy and found something where imagination and flexibility were appreciated.
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll also find that the corproate ass kissers at Berlitz who are your supervisors know nothing about modern EFL pedagogy or language acquisition.

I guess the students just don't realize what kind of a sham Berlitz is. Too bad. They charge a lot more for a lot less.

A very bad place to work as an EFL teacher, IMO.
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miyazaki wrote:
Too bad. They charge a lot more for a lot less.



Let's go a step further: Berlitz charges a lot more for nothing while taking the students' time and energy.

And who are the teachers at Berlitz? They are housewives with zero experience in teaching and too much time on their hands. No self-respecting teacher would ever be part of Berlitz!
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travellingscot



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Berlitz Bulgaria Reply with quote

Berlitz opened a branch here in Varna a few months ago and i went in to see if they could get me a work permit-this seems to be impossible without a degree of any description,as i have had previous good applications refused. I hope this doesn't put me amongst the ranks of those teachers with no self-respect !!
The branch manageress didn't know what a tesol was and said it didn't matter anyway,as every job applicant had to go through their training programme. She also told me i would have to fund a permit application myself-costs around 1 months salary with no guarantee of success-so i didn't return.
Whenever i asked her about teaching related matters which i had come across during my 2 years here the answers always stemmed from a basic "We are Berlitz,we are different,we can do no wrong" company dogma-she had obviously been on a training course recently.

As for those who work there as teachers,i only have detailed knowledge of a Bulgarian lady who has worked in various language schools here,is popular with students,but lacks any formal training.Presumably she is looking for free teacher training,and the chance in future to use her time with Berlitz as a plus point when getting another job.Other language schools here are dreadful and she cannot work for the British Council who are the market leaders. Perhaps in situations such as this Berlitz are better than nothing for some people.
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expatben



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually offered a job once with Berlitz. It was a new school in Austria. The guy told me they had no gaurente of hours I would work and accomadation.
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me tell you how bizarre it is to work at Berlitz. A friend of mine taught there without any qualifications and out of desperation and here's what she said: First you are always on call; they call you the night before and give you all the info. When you go to work, you check the files of the group you are supposed to teach, find out what�s been done up until then, �prepare� and head for class. What is bizarre is that you teach a different group every time you head for work. You never see the same group twice the way you never step into the same river twice Rolling Eyes Laughing


I wonder who the Berlitz clientele were 135 years ago. Were they the American Indians and the newly emancipated slaves? I wouldn't be surprised since Berlitz method involves do-it-my-way-we-know-best.
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expatben



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Deconstructor, you've changed your location. So...how was the 7th layer of hell?
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

expatben wrote:
Hey Deconstructor, you've changed your location. So...how was the 7th layer of hell?


Yeah, the hell administration reviewed my case and decided that my punishment wasn't severe enough. So....... Laughing Laughing
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expatben



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a Canadian I must say oooohhhhhhhhhh thats harsh eh Smile
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

expatben wrote:
As a Canadian I must say oooohhhhhhhhhh thats harsh eh Smile



Yeah you're right. It was a joke that I just couldn't resist. Actually I love this country and am so glad to be back.
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expatben



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Canada too
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada called the other night Decon. Between sobs and fits of jealousy, she said she loves you too.
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Canada called the other night Decon. Between sobs and fits of jealousy, she said she loves you too.


Dude she'd better love me 'cause I'm really jealous. If she betrays me... how shall I put this:

It is the cause, it is the cause, my soul,--
Let me not name it to you, you chaste stars!--
It is the cause. Yet I'll not shed her blood;
Nor scar that whiter skin of hers than snow,
And smooth as monumental alabaster.
Yet she must die, else she'll betray more men.
Put out the light, and then put out the light:
If I quench thee, thou flaming minister,
I can again thy former light restore,
Should I repent me: but once put out thy light,
Thou cunning'st pattern of excelling nature,
I know not where is that Promethean heat
That can thy light relume. When I have pluck'd the rose,
I cannot give it vital growth again.
It must needs wither: I'll smell it on the tree.

Othello: Act V, scene II

Yeah
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