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What does your school do for airfare reimbursement? |
A fixed amount less than 5000 RMB |
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10% |
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A fixed amount more than 5000 RMB |
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30% |
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The full amount of my round-trip ticket receipts |
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35% |
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The full amount of my return ticket receipt (one way only) |
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0% |
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other |
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25% |
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amandabarrick
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 391
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: airfare reimbursement |
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Just curious what all your contracts say about airfare reimbursement. My school will reimburse me 5000 RMB at the end of the contract... Which is about half the amount of my round-trip airfare. Is this normal? I have a 1 year contract at a public school. The salary is good and lots of other benefits. I tried to push for them to reimburse me the full amount of my round-trip tickets, show them reciepts, etc... But they said the max they could do was 5000 RMB. What does your school do? How much do they reimburse?
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: Re: airfare reimbursement |
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amandabarrick wrote: |
Just curious what all your contracts say about airfare reimbursement. My school will reimburse me 5000 RMB at the end of the contract... Which is about half the amount of my round-trip airfare. Is this normal? I have a 1 year contract at a public school. The salary is good and lots of other benefits. I tried to push for them to reimburse me the full amount of my round-trip tickets, show them reciepts, etc... But they said the max they could do was 5000 RMB. What does your school do? How much do they reimburse? |
When I came back to China in December 2003, it was to Shanghai, not to Wuhan, as I had secured employment at a private language school there. Things did not work out and the school and I parted after just 18 days, which thus put paid to my hoped-for reimbursement of my air fare, even if that would not have taken place until after I would have completed my one-year contract.
I then returned to Wuhan and got a job at the primary school where I worked for one year. The school was kind enough not just to reimburse me for the return ticket which I had bought, even if I did not have a contract with it at the time I bought it, but it was also generous enough to reimburse me to the tune of 12,802 RMB exactly - and this was more (relatively speaking) than I had paid for the ticket in terms of pounds sterling owing to the change in the exchange rate in the 13 months between ticket purchase and reimbursement.
Hence, I was incredibly lucky, incredibly lucky. Pardon me for repeating myself, but, considering how other schools put a ceiling on ticket reimbursement, my school must be a rare exception!
At my current school, there is a clause which states that the teacher is entitled to receive cash in lieu of a return ticket equal to the current market value of a return ticket to the country of the teacher's origin from China, assuming, of course, that the teacher chooses not to return to his or her home country. |
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voodikon

Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 1363 Location: chengdu
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: |
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i'm at a company, and the agreement was that they'd reimburse one-way after six months of working and return after 12 months. after working here six months, i presented my printed receipt for the e-ticket i'd bought for USD 370, but since it didn't have the "red stamp," the finance head was balking. finally we came up with the solution that they'd deposit equivalent money to my account over two months as a salary bonus since i didn't have a "real" ticket they could keep for their records. had i chosen to go home at the end of 12 months, i'm sure they would have just purchased my ticket for me, but since i'm going directly to my next job here, i said i'd just take RMB 4000, since RMB 8000 seems a fairly standard round-trip reimbursement amount. they've agreed, though i haven't picked up my money yet.
the contract at my next place of employment says they'll reimburse up to RMB 8000 at the end of 12 months. |
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tofuman
Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:08 am Post subject: |
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One of the job postings I noticed on Angelina's esl job website was an ad that advertised round trip airfare. It had a clarifying note indicating that they would not pay more than 1000 RMb for international air reimbursement.
Perhaps a typo and they meant 10,000, which would be in the ballpark. Perhaps just another way of not really telling the truth.
Anyone know of a Western country to which a round trip ticket, or even one way, is 1000 Rmb? |
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go_ABs

Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 507
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Chris, sounds like you've got a good contract at your school.
Mine says: round-trip airfare up to US$1,500 which ALMOST covered my costs. (Flying to China from NZ is expensive, I don't know why it should be, plus a 20kg baggage limit - sheesh!)
In my first year it was a US$1,000 limit, which was just over half of my costs, but I made sure it was increased for my second year.
My boss didn't ask to see the tickets.
Interesting thread! |
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Mideatoo

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 424 Location: ...IF YOU SAY SO...
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:06 am Post subject: |
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8K flat fee |
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Zero Hero
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 944
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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tofuman wrote: |
Perhaps a typo and they meant 10,000, which would be in the ballpark. Perhaps just another way of not really telling the truth. |
I suppose it could be a typo, though if I had to guess, I would say that they are simply using their peculiar version of the base ten system where only the (culturally-determined) relevant figures are explicitly stated.
We have something similar in the West, of course. If someone asks how much a brand spanking new Jaguar cost, for example, you would be unlikely to always say 50,000 quid, but more likely just 50 (as everyone knows you would be referring to the number of thousands involved in the sum).
I once met a chap who said that he was to purchase a property in China for a mere 50,000 Yuan (but one month's salary for him in Hong Kong). I attempted to explain to him that it was most likely 500,000 Yuan (for reasons similar to the Jaguar example above), but of course he would have none of it ('if they had meant that then they would have written that', was the appeal he made). Needless to say I was right, it was 500,000 Yuan. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Zero Hero wrote: |
tofuman wrote: |
Perhaps a typo and they meant 10,000, which would be in the ballpark. Perhaps just another way of not really telling the truth. |
I suppose it could be a typo, though if I had to guess, I would say that they are simply using their peculiar version of the base ten system where only the (culturally-determined) relevant figures are explicitly stated.
We have something similar in the West, of course. If someone asks how much a brand spanking new Jaguar cost, for example, you would be unlikely to always say 50,000 quid, but more likely just 50 (as everyone knows you would be referring to the number of thousands involved in the sum).
I once met a chap who said that he was to purchase a property in China for a mere 50,000 Yuan (but one month's salary for him in Hong Kong). I attempted to explain to him that it was most likely 500,000 Yuan (for reasons similar to the Jaguar example above), but of course he would have none of it ('if they had meant that then they would have written that', was the appeal he made). Needless to say I was right, it was 500,000 Yuan. |
I'm just wondering if this person was confused by the (Mandarin) Chinese word, "wan", which is the base unit of 10,000, which does not exist in Western European languages. Hence "50 wan" means 500,000.
Recently, a friend of ours accompanied us to look at some properties very near where we live. My wife asked the sales person about the price of one flat he liked the look of, and she was told "40 wan". The friend immediately assumed she meant "40,000", but he had to be corrected immediately as his assumption was out by a (very crucial) factor of ten. The flat cost 400,000 yuan, and the friend's expression changed somewhat.
I guess that it is an easy mistake to make. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Angela's typo was not in the figure but in the currency's name - she could have meant U.S. dollars - in which case 1000 would be quite fair and cover the actual expenses of flying for most.
The GUIDE TO EMPLOYMENT OF FOREIGN EXPERTS clearly stipulates that those who work here
for ONE YEAR
are entitled to FULL compensation of their flight costs in and out of China; in principle the employer mnust pay for your dependants also (but here is the tripwire - he can refuse to grant them a dependant's visa). "Dependeants" seems to mean a spouse and one child of under 12 years of age.
If you stay for ONE SEMESTER, or half a year,
you stand to be reimbursed a one-way ticket.
In the past, the practice was to hand the FT a flat amount, usually RMB 5000. In more recent years, some employers have resorted to demanding actual PROOF of your expenditures, which can be tricky since such evidence must be readable and understandable to the accountant, hence the need to get a red chop, which in turn is excessively difficult to obtain on a plane ticket issued abroad...
Here is a special hint:
Get your refund IN CASH since bank remittances are subject to tax! THis is from my FAO. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: |
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With a receipt, my last school reimbursed my airfare up to 8000rmb. Mine was 7670 last summer, so I was completely refunded.
My new school actually offered a round trip reimbursement with a 1-year contract in their advertisement, then changed tunes when contract signing came around. We hemmed and hawed about it and I finally got them to agree to a one-way ticket plus a year-end "bonus". Also, if I sign on for a second year, I still get the bonus, plus they'll buy me a RT ticket so I can return before the term begins. |
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nolefan

Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 1458 Location: on the run
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:53 am Post subject: |
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my school pays face value of the ticket. no questions asked.
As long as they can put the expense in their book, it's not a problem. |
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amandabarrick
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 391
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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nolefan,
Will the school pay you the face value of the ticket regardless of the amount? Why don't you fly first class next time? hehe...
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nolefan

Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 1458 Location: on the run
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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amandabarrick wrote: |
nolefan,
Will the school pay you the face value of the ticket regardless of the amount? Why don't you fly first class next time? hehe...
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i'd have to buy the ticket first before i get reimbursed and i just ain't got 60,000 RMB to spare.  |
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