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[Aristotle]

City Mayor and Taiwan Presidential Aid Implicated in Slave revolt on Taiwan!

[logician]

[clark.w.griswald]

Thanks logician. I got a good laugh out of that!

[Aristotle]

Taiwan National Legislators' Corruption Causes Slave Revolt

[Chris Smith]

Aristotle,
Your posts and links are often quite interesting, but your point is lost because there is never a dialogue between you and others who read your posts. You accuse the Taiwanese government of a variety of things, as if they are unique or especially grotesque, but the truth is that all governments everywhere have their issues. I think what I'm trying to say is I don't know what point you are making. Are you trying to say that the Taiwanese government is more corrupt than others, or just trying to give us newsworthy links to read? If it's the former then I suggest you engage in a more open dialogue with the people who do show an interest in what you post.

Chris

[logician]

[Chris Smith]

Hi logician,
I agree with a lot of your points here. My question wasn't referring to the validity of a discussion about corruption and organized crime. Nor was it meant to push away those who are less than experts on the subject. I think that if you are going to continually trumpet a line of propaganda, you should make yourself available for a discussion, especially as this is what a forum is for.

Aristotle makes posts in the same way I sort my trash. This goes here, this here, and these go here. Done. I don't expect my trash to come back, and it seems he doesn't expect or care about whether what he writes on this board has an impact on readers. I've said before that anyone can make opening posts and present links, but when people reading this stuff ask a question, there is never a response. I think this particularly frustrates me because everything Aristotle posts is negative when it comes to Taiwan. It's ok to have a negative view about anything you like, but doing it Aristotle style undermines and trivializes some serious issues that are brought up.

This is why I get confused every time I see a new post. I just can't see clearly why he's doing it.

Chris

[clark.w.griswald]

Well I guess that my comments will not come as a surprise to anyone, but here goes anyway.

I disagree that Aristotle is doing anything but trying his darndest to find negative stuff about Taiwan and bring it here to this forum. That is his agenda full stop. He has no interest in discussing these issues as he can't. He is not about protecting the rights of foreigners in Taiwan, nor is he championing any cause. His sole purpose is to try and make Taiwan look bad. Unfortunately for him I don't believe that he is successful in this endeavor as his overtly negative posts with no real aim raise the suspicions of those who read his posts. You can just about hear newbies thinking, "What is this guy about? He never says anything. He just posts all the trash he can find. Why? Hmmm."

Aristotle has been doing what he does here on any forum related to Taiwan that will have him - but most don't! Most forums have realized that he actually has nothing to say and have excluded him from their forums. Many of the boards that have excluded him are not even based in Taiwan and are owned and operated by foreigners. I respect his right to have his say, but any suggestion that he is actually making these posts to create change is laughable. He is making these posts to further his agenda which is resentment toward the authorities here. His reasons for harboring this resentment are his own, but don't kid yourself, his reasons for posting are totally for his own benefit not for the benefit of others.

So what effect have his posts had - absolutely none. What changes have his posts encouraged - none. How have his posts helped foreign teachers in Taiwan - they haven't. How have his posts helped the situation facing foreign blue collar workers in Taiwan - not a stich. This is despite his involvement in these forums for at least four or five years!

The only thing that Aristotle's posts achieve is confusion, and he is sometimes successful in these efforts. Just look at the posts by Teacha, an advocate of Aristotle's 'information' and you can see that Aristotles posts actually make things more difficult for newbies. There has been a few posters over the years who have been equally idiotic, all of whom have stated how insightful Aristotles posts are. It's really been a case of the blind leading the blind! His aim purely and simply is trying to get newbies to avoid Taiwan out of his own selfish spite for this country.

How many times have you seen people ask Aristotle why he stays if he hates Taiwan so much? Therein lies the answer. He stays not to educate, not to help, but to insult. His single aim in participating in forums such as this one is to try to paint Taiwan in a way that it just isn't. Just have a look at the trash on his own forum. Fortunately there are enough regulars on boards such as this one that say "Hang on! That's not true!"

Surely you have noticed that he never enters into dialogue nor answers questions raised. He can't, as even he knows that his points of view are indefensible. Aristotle has acheived nothing over the years that I have seen him posting and he just continues to regurgitate his own spin on what Taiwan is, even though the real Taiwan is very different to the one that Aristotle paints.

[Henry_Cowell]

If only Dave's ESL Cafe had an IGNORE button. By clicking it, I'd never see any of Aristotle's contributions again.

[Aristotle]

"Ignorance is bliss."

[Chris Smith]

[Henry_Cowell]

Dave's without Aristotle = bliss

[Aristotle]

[Chris Smith]

Ok Aristotle,
Your post is making a clear point that places outside of Taipei are the areas you are most concerned with. That's a start, I think. As a Taipei resident for 8 years, I have little experience of staying in other areas other than for travelling.

That said, I still think you are a bit of a loan voice out there trying to convince everyone that corruption and organized crime is, relatively, much worse than it is back home. I don't know how to measure better or worse when it comes to comparing different countries in this respect, so I was wondering how you do it?

What about your own country? Do you feel its reputation is spotless? If not, do you also highlight your own country's problems locally? I ask this because anyone can visit a country, find things they don't like and criticize it. The migrant workers issue can be found, to a greater or lesser extent, in many countrys. Do you fight for migrant workers in your own country?

Chris

[Henry_Cowell]