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EOD
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| What happened to the Petiton to the ILO? I just saw a report about it on the evening news. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Not to worry, "Daves ESL Cafe" got to be number one on the Net because they always put teachers and students first by presenting a balanced and honest view of the ESL situation, particularly here in East Asia.
Send Mr. Sperling a PM explaining your dissatisfaction and I am sure that the problem will be fixed.
Nobody likes have there post deleted particularly when the post is well written, polite and community minded.
Good luck!
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:59 am Post subject: |
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I was asked to write this sticky by a user of this forum. He wanted something that addressed the rights of foreign teachers in Taiwan. That is what this board is about, and that is the purpose of this thread.
Aristotle made a post in this thread that related to a petition for the rights of foreign blue collar workers. He can start a seperate thread for that if he wants (in fact I think that he already did), but it has no place in this particular thread the purpose of which is the rights of foreign teachers. Yes we are all foreigners, but as anyone who has been here for any length of time would know, the circumstances, regulations and conditions that face foreign blue collar workers are quite different to those faced by white collar foreigners such as teachers.
If people have any questions or comments to add about foreign teachers then I am sure that their comments will remain in this thread. If however someone attempts to derail this thread with information that is not pertinent to foreign teachers then I will PM the mods about that and trust that they will agree. Such information just serves to confuse not inform. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:42 am Post subject: |
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There you have it straight from the Moderator himself.
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
I was asked to write this sticky by a user of this forum. He wanted something that addressed the rights of foreign teachers in Taiwan. That is what this board is about, and that is the purpose of this thread.
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EOD,
Weren't you the moderator on this forum for a few years! What happened?
Good luck!
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
There you have it straight from the Moderator himself.
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No I am not a mod here. The mods are all listed above. I am not telling you how it is I am merely telling you what I know about this thread.
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EOD,
Weren't you the moderator on this forum for a few years! What happened? |
I guarantee that he doesn't answer this question! I am unsure whether it would be appropriate for me to do either so it might be best left unsaid! |
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EOD
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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EOD,
Weren't you the moderator on this forum for a few years!
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Yes, I was.
After not objecting to the Administrations wishes to ban Clark W. Griswald, twice. First as Brian then again as Wombat. He obtained enough user names to petiton for my removal.
Your going to need the luck, because he is after you now
It looks like Brian/Wombat/ Clark W. Criswald now has a Moderators User name. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| EOD wrote: |
| After not objecting to the Administrations wishes to ban Clark W. Griswald, twice. First as Brian then again as Wombat. He obtained enough user names to petiton for my removal. |
In typical EOD fashion you fail to be honest, again. We both know why you are no longer a mod here and that was all of your own doing. You made a particularly inappropriate post as mod and as someone who represents this board. To my knowledge Dave Sperling himself is the only one who can decide who will or won't be a mod and it appears that he agreed that your post was inappropriate for one of his representatives to make.
It is laughable to suggest that I have any more power here than any other user.
You were man enough to make that post so at least be man enough to accept the consequences.
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| It looks like Brian/Wombat/ Clark W. Criswald now has a Moderators User name. |
Do you see my name at the top of the forum listed with the mods of this board? Am I a mod here? No. So stop misleading people with your suggestions to the contrary.
As to Aristotle's posts, I don't believe that I have ever once complained to the mod's directly about his posts. I have raised some concerns on this public forum but that is as far as I have gone. Even when others were calling for him to be banned I didn't support this. He has the right to his opinion I just wish that he would back it up with something. |
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EOD
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Do you see my name at the top of the forum listed with the mods of this board? Am I a mod here? No. So stop misleading people with your suggestions to the contrary. |
The inappropriate comment I made was comparing you to case of Herpes for the way you keep popping up with new user names every times Dave would kick you off.
You then began harassing me all over the net and my confidential email I used to register on Forumosa.com, began to get spammed. Come to find out that you are a Moderator on Forumosa.com and have been abusing you access to User's personal information and arbitrarily deleting post on Forumosa.com as well. You then banned me like so many others as retribution for not supporting you, claiming I used a shared computer at work.
One of the many reasons that Forumosa.com has gotten such a bad reputation.
People like you give the web and Taiwan a bad name.
http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=255249&highlight=daves+esl#255249
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Those are some pretty strong accusations that you make there so allow me to retort!
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| After not objecting to the Administrations wishes to ban Clark W. Griswald, twice....He obtained enough user names to petiton for my removal. |
First you suggest that I petitioned for your removal. Let's throw that open to the readership shall we as there are some users here now who have been here for a while.
Anyone who received any form of petition from me about EOD please let us know! Not that this is going to go anywhere because it didn't happen.
There was no petition and until you made the inappropriate comment that you agree you made about me I never once complained about you.
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| The inappropriate comment I made was comparing you to case of Herpes for the way you keep popping up with new user names every times Dave would kick you off. |
And that is exactly the reason that your moderator priviledges were revoked here at Daves. Plain and simple. It was your choice to post what you did, it was inappropriate, and I exercised my right to complain about it.
At the end of the day it wasn't me who decided that you should no longer be a moderator so if you have issue with what happened then I suggest that you take it up with the person/s who removed your priviledges. Not me.
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| You then began harassing me all over the net... |
Actually not. I was quite aware that you posted over at fourmosa under another name but I never said a word about you over there.
You were the one who raised the issue over at forumosa when you admitted your involvement with me over here at Daves.
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| ...and my confidential email I used to register on Forumosa.com began to get spammed. |
Well don't blame me for that. I have nothing to do with the forumosa site nor do I know your email address. I am aware that you are involved with the now defunct Overseas Americans in Taiwan, and that you have been involved with the Fred Frontier business (which went nowhere), the Scott Ezell performance (after which he was deported) and more recently the WWRN foreigner radio (which has turned into a farce with the main man there being incarcerated in Taiwan for fraud and faking his own daughters kidnapping!). You certainly have the midas touch there EOD, and no doubt during your involvement with all of this you divulged your email address.
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| Come to find out that you are a Moderator on Forumosa.com and have been abusing you access to User's personal information and arbitrarily deleting post on Forumosa.com as well. |
First you claim I am a mod here, now you claim that I am a mod over there. I am not a mod here nor there.
Most boards list the names of their moderators on their sites, and both Daves and forumosa do that. Do you see my name there anywhere? No. Because it's not.
Oh and for anyone who is interested or cares I post under the username of 'Brian' over there but that's no secret.
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| The banned me because I used a shared computer at work. |
Who banned you? Forumosa? I didn't even know that you had been banned but that certainly helps explain your absence from that site, and why you have returned here.
Why would a site ban you for using a shared computer at work? I assume that you are suggesting that someone who deserved to be banned used that same computer and they banned you based upon the IP address. I don't know, and I will check it out, but it seems to me that forumosa and Daves ban the user not the IP address. So unless someone hijacked your user name, then you wouldn't have been banned. The thing is that you were well known over there on the 'Human Rights' forum so I am sure that if the posts made by that person made any sense then the regulars would have known straight away that it wasn't you.
I do recall that at one stage you had more than one username, three in fact if I remember correctly, and in one thread you used two or your names to basically create a majority. When you did that I pointed this out on the public forum.
Yes, here it is.
http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=255249&highlight=daves+esl#255249
As for the link that you posted I am not sure what it is meant to show but I had a read of it anyway.
http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=251502&highlight=eod#251502
That's it. The thread that you posted here is the one that I remember. This is the one where you got annoyed that I proved you wrong about something and then you commented about my situation at Daves. So it was you who followed me, not the other way around.
In that thread you post under the name Eric.W.Lier, Boomer, and EOD. You only added the AKA after I pointed out the fact that you were one and the same. Maybe that is why you got banned as to the best of my knowledge the forum rules over there state that you can only post under one name.
Oh and another thing, you state in that thread that you link to:
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| Contrary to popular belief there is only one person who can ban people on Dave's ESL Cafe. That is Dave Sperling himself. |
So why did you accuse me earlier in this thread of removing your moderator priviledges. If we are to believe what you say above then quite clearly it was Dave not me.
Here are a couple of other threads from that site that seem relevant:
http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=312339&highlight=eod#312339
http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=257661&highlight=eod#257661
| EOD wrote: |
| One of the biggest reasons that Forumosa.com has gotten such a bad reputation. |
Actually forumosa has a very good reputation and it is getting better now that I have found out that they banned you.
Daves and forumosa are without a doubt the best two forums for people coming to teach in Taiwan - hands down.
| EOD wrote: |
| People like you give the web and Taiwan a bad name. |
If proving people like you wrong is reason for me to have a bad name then I am guilty as charged.
Get over it. It was a long time ago. |
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JimDunlop2
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:15 am Post subject: |
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The stickies aren't to be used as your personal flamewar battlefield, y'all. I've split it from the sticky.
If you have issues or questions about the contents of the sticky, please fill our a thread report or send a PM to a moderator.
Thanks.
BTW., I'm locking this thing too, because I really don't see any redeeming value to this argument, but I don't want to delete the comments that have been made either.
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