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web fishing
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Glenski,
From my understanding there are many private language schools in Japan that don't care whether you have a degree or not, just some experience (if even that). Universities and public schools of course is a different story.
There are many teachers in Japan teaching with no degree, fake degrees, illegally without a work visa.
Stellabella, if you wanted to teach in Japan without setting up something beforehand, just go there on a 3month tourist visa, or 6month cultural visa both very easy to get, and the cultural visa you can extend up to three years (say you're studying tea ceramony, flower arrangements...). Or get a work visa. http://www.aacircle.com.au/visas-japan.htm
Once in Japan you can easily find contacts, and job ads. To get you started O-Hayo Sensei http://www.ohayosensei.com/ is one of many jobsites advertising ESL jobs in Japan. Good luck!! |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Webfishing, there is a big difference between working legally and working illegally. Of course, to teach illegally you need absolutley nothing. However, you have no legal recourse, your employer knows this and more often than not will take advantage of you. Cultural and tourist visas do not allow you to teach. Something about Stella makes me think she wants to do it legally. |
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web fishing
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Gordon, I agree with what you are saying (somewhat). I was just responding to the remarks Glenski made
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because I felt it was a bit misleading. |
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Stellabella
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Yes I agree totally with doing it legally. I would be worried getting cash in hand jobs in my own country let alone overseas.
Anyway the way I see it many employers know they have you over a barell if you do it on the sly.
Keep the info & advice coming though, it seems to be helping a few of us newbies going by a couple of emails I have received. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| web fishing wrote: |
Gordon, I agree with what you are saying (somewhat). I was just responding to the remarks Glenski made
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| but you are going to find it hard to land a job without a college degree |
because I felt it was a bit misleading. |
Fair enough.
How about "you are going to find it hard finding a good legal job without a degree."  |
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web fishing
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| How about "you are going to find it hard finding a good legal job without a degree." |
Totally agree!
Stellabella, on one of the websites I listed above (don't know if you took a look at it) it gives you information on the different visas available in Japan...
EX: Getting a Visa Without a University Degree
If you can show a certain number of years relevant work experience you are eligible to apply for a visa that permits work. Each visa and industry has different requirements. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski,
From my understanding there are many private language schools in Japan that don't care whether you have a degree or not, just some experience (if even that). |
True, however, with a few exceptions for those that permit people to work illegally (something I VERY STRONGLY DISCOURAGE STELLABELLA FROM DOING), those other places STILL require a proper visa.
Example:
spouse visa (if you are married to a Japanese)
dependent visa (if you are married to a foreigner with a FT job here)
student visa (if you are enrolled as a student here, and for PT work only)
cultural visa (see below)
working holiday visa (we've already discussed this option, impossible for her)
It appears that Stella cannot qualify for any of these. So, my statements still hold.
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| Stellabella, if you wanted to teach in Japan without setting up something beforehand, just go there on a 3month tourist visa, or 6month cultural visa both very easy to get, and the cultural visa you can extend up to three years (say you're studying tea ceramony, flower arrangements...). |
You can't "just say" you're studying those things!! You have to have the proper sponsor for them (an ikebana teacher, a tea ceremony instructor, a martial arts instructor). And, even so, you can't work more than part-time and only for the length of that visa. When it's up, so are you.
As for just coming here on a 90 day tourist status, just how in the bloody blue blazes do you expect her to get a visa to permit her to work? She plainly and simply doesn't qualify!!
And, that web site you gave (http://www.aacircle.com.au/visas-japan.htm ) lists NOTHING that permits her to work except for the standard work visa, which we have already discounted for her. Get it?
I'm really irked that you would even try to get up her hopes. The closest she comes to getting a proper visa is the cultural visa route. How about it, Stella? Is it worth considering, or did you plan to be here only for teaching? |
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Stellabella
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Web Fishing
Thank you once again for the info but I do have to stick to my initial response and gut feelings that doing it the 'shifty' way is not my thing at all. I am going to be nervous enough setting out on this venture all by myself let alone getting my visa via dubious means.
I do appreciate your advice and comments as it may be of assistance to others on here that are ACHING to go to JAPAN... I was looking at one stage going to Malaysia and again a Degree is required so I flicked that idea off.
So it looks like it's going to be a short stint in China/Thailand and then off to Greece with a bit of luck
Glenski, your advice is spot on ...thank you once again. You know your stuff  |
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web fishing
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| You can't "just say" you're studying those things!! You have to have the proper sponsor for them (an ikebana teacher, a tea ceremony instructor, a martial arts instructor). And, even so, you can't work more than part-time and only for the length of that visa. When it's up, so are you. |
True. Yes, I guess I was misleading this time when mentioning the culutral visa. I failed to mention the word sponsorship. And, as far as the work visa is concern [although Stellabella has no ESL experience], she could still apply for a work visa with the current experiences she has [with a sponsor].
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| As for just coming here on a 90 day tourist status, just how in the bloody blue blazes do you expect her to get a visa to permit her to work? She plainly and simply doesn't qualify!! |
Like I said earlier, once in Japan she can make contacts.... Hell, it happens everyday.
However, my point was to inform that there is more than one route to take in obtaining a job (with/without a degree) and getting visas in Japan. It is up to the indiviual to decide what options s/he wants to choose and the best route for them. |
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khmerhit
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Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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| try cambodia! |
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