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nasigoreng
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 41 Location: sailing the seas of cheese
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:24 am Post subject: Compare teaching in Taiwan with.....? .... |
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My only teaching experience has been Taiwan and I have not enjoyed it: don't like the environment, the kids, or the culture.
I'm considering teaching in Japan, Indonesia, Thailand, or Latin America.
I welcome feedback from people who have taught in these (and other) countries.
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taiwan boy
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 99 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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You might get a better response if you post on the boards relevant to the countries you want to know more about.
Remember you might find the things you don't like about Taiwan, you also won't like about other countries. The grass is always greener on the other side... |
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comenius

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 124 Location: San Francisco, California, USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: My experience |
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For what it's worth, I've taught in Prague, Istanbul and Taipei, each for a period of about 10 - 14 months. Taipei was my least favorite destination by far. I'm not 100% sure why, either. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I found it quite difficult to culturally assimilate in Taipei. Being a white guy, I suppose that may seem obvious to some point, but in Prague and Istanbul I found I developed much stronger relationships with the local community, even though I didn't pass for a local there either.
For whatever reason, I felt a kind of wall between me and the local Taiwanese. This could have been purely in my head, but I just never felt as warmly accepted and welcomed. The end result was that this sense of emotional distance negatively colored many of my impressions of my time there.
The good news is that Taipei isn't the same as elsewhere in the world, and that a less than overwhelmingly positive experience there doesn't mean you can't have a really excellent experience elsewhere. I know you were specifically asking about other areas than Prague and Istanbul, but thought I'd toss in my two cents regardless...  |
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sigmoid
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 1276
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:58 am Post subject: |
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I've taught in Thailand for quite a few years, but I wouldn't really recommend teaching here. It may be OK for a year or two, but in the long run it will probably be financially draining as the average salaries are quite low. I have definite plans to go elsewhere in order to make more money.
The following is just my opinion. Hopefully, others who have lived/live there can add to or correct it:
Indonesia may not be the best place for Westerners to be if the invasion of Iraq occurs. I don't think you can make much money there either.
Ditto for Latin America. I don't think there is any country where you can earn a decent living by teaching English. But, like Tahiland, it may be enjoyable to live there a few years depending on which country you chose.
Japan offers higher salaries than most other places, but has possibly the highest cost of living in the world. Many people complain Japan is sterile and rigid. |
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TheyCallMeTrinity

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 44 Location: Taiwan, at the moment
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: My experience |
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I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I found it quite difficult to culturally assimilate in Taipei. Being a white guy, I suppose that may seem obvious to some point, but in Prague and Istanbul I found I developed much stronger relationships with the local community, even though I didn't pass for a local there either.
For whatever reason, I felt a kind of wall between me and the local Taiwanese. This could have been purely in my head, but I just never felt as warmly accepted and welcomed. The end result was that this sense of emotional distance negatively colored many of my impressions of my time there.
The good news is that Taipei isn't the same as elsewhere in the world, and that a less than overwhelmingly positive experience there doesn't mean you can't have a really excellent experience elsewhere. I know you were specifically asking about other areas than Prague and Istanbul, but thought I'd toss in my two cents regardless...  |
I agree with you. In Taiwan assimilation is impossible, but more possibel than a place like Korea. Taiwanese are superluously "friendly" as a matter of face. If htey've nothign to gain from you - you will see their true, ugly nature. Not all, mind you, but you'll find this to happe na lot of the time. You will make friends here, but it will never feel as complete as another country. Korea was the most vile country Iv'e been to in terms of outright intollerence and xenophobia, but I made some wonderful, beautiful, long-lasting friendships there. In Taiwan, I've made one, and it's tenuous. I have many Taiwanese "freinds," but no "pals." In Korea I have a myriad of Pals that I love like family. In Taiwan, the only people i trust are kids because htey will be honest to me. You can't be a "friend' to a child like an adult, so outside of talking and sharing software or Vcds of popular, acceptable movies - yo ucan't do much with them. Adults - it's perpetually free English lessons, or status symbol. In Korea it always felt like I had freinds who wanted to experience all that freindship entails while learning about another culture. Most folks in their 30s too. Here, it's about making money. "Fun" is walking up a lame mountain or staying home. This is a boring country, but Taipei must be ebtter than Taichung or small cities, no?
I agree - this is not a horrible place, but there are realities here worth talking about, and a lot of them are negative. It does not mean things here are insufferable (Ironically, Korea was!).
Assimilation is impossible here, but you can find your own niche. Odd, but true. You will enver be "one of the crowd," but you can find your own bag here, for sure. That's more than I can say for Korea. |
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nasigoreng
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 41 Location: sailing the seas of cheese
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:49 am Post subject: thanks |
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Thank you all for your input.
I should have mentioned that money was NOT a priority. I just want to learn stuff: martial arts, batik painting, thai massage, samba dancing, etc....
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| Taiwanese are superluously "friendly" as a matter of face. If htey've nothign to gain from you - you will see their true, ugly nature. |
I feel this all the time. I think of all the people I've interacted with, only 5% were genuinely friendly people.
When I do get invited places by Twnese people it's so obviously constructed to make my acquantances look prestigious to their friends. |
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WorkingVaca
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 135
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:50 am Post subject: Thailand |
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What exactly do you hate about Taiwan's "environment"? The lack of imaginative architecture, the air pollution, that international cuisine means McDonald's and Sizzler, too many little motorcycles...? Culture: you mean the narrow-minded "family values", the striving towards corporate slavery, the double-takes whenever a WAIGOREN happens by...?
If that's the stuff you mean, stay away from Thailand...this stuff is all magnified down there, with the added bonus of Third World inconveniences like peddlers, two-tiered pricing systems, absolutely pitiful wages for ESL teachers, garbage rotting in the hot sun, cocroaches, etc. Except Thailand has it all over Taiwan in the food department.
But at least in Taiwan you can save some decent money. |
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chi-chi
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 127 Location: Back in Asia!
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