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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 811 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| JaredW wrote: |
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| The only way this practice will end is if good people stop taking these darn jobs. Which is easy enough for someone like me to say now, but truth be told, I got my start with a contract position as well. Indeed, these "bad" positions are often the means to gaining the experience and contacts necessary to getting the "good" positions later--often, but not always. So, there really is no good answer to any of this. |
What do you mean by good positions? Is that the major "best 5"univs like Todai, Sopie, Waseda etc.? |
You really need to read the responses given to you. Here's what I wrote earlier in this same thread:
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| Second, "quality university"--again, you need to define this term. E.g., do you mean "quality" in the sense of their treatment of foreign faculty? Or do you mean it in the sense of research quality and ranking in Japan (and the world)? You'll find, for instance, that many of the top universities have a pretty abysmal human rights record with regards to their foreign faculty. Furthermore, while it will help you get a teaching job somewhere, a PhD will not necessarily help you get the few "good" positions available. The "good" universities (i.e., those that treat their foreign faculty well) have very low turnover rates and so hire very infrequently--and those jobs often go to someone with connections at the school in question. The many "bad" universities, on the other hand, love to hire people with PhDs--often, your name (and degree) will linger on their website as a kind of advertisement ("See, we have foreigners with PhDs!") long after they've fired you! |
I.e., I have defined my usage...can you? |
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JaredW

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 105 Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I know I can do better, but it's difficult to define because I haven't worked there. In fact, my only reference points are to American Universities, which after reading seem totally different. Apologies for unneccessary repetitions. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you mean by good positions? Is that the major "best 5"univs like Todai, Sopie, Waseda etc.? |
Jared, what is good for the Japanese university student and has a good reputation as a university among Japanese and what is good for a foreigner are two different things.
For four years I worked at a national university, was paid a sh-it load of money in salary but all in all it was a lonely experience. Didnt make friends with any Japanese professors in four years. Studnets are bright but rather distant (nerdish computer geeks and archutecture students. Large classes taught in drab colorless classrooms.
This is one of the top universities in Japan.
Now I work at one of the top 5 private universities in Kansai, part time. Friendly staff, interesting classes, enthusiastic students, good camaderie and good rapport with office staff. This school now has legal action being taken against it by a union because of its foriegn teacher hiring practices and for unfair labor practices. Some of the teachers as full timers are overworked and teach up to 10 classes a weekfor little more than one would get on the JET program or at a conversation school.
Good school among Japanese students and faculty good reputation but lousy reputation and low pay for some of the foreign teachers. The school is thinking of doing away with a whole teaching position as they think foreign teachers are paid too much.
I now work at a mid-ranking private university full time. Its OK,other teachers are OK. Average to mediocre students. Pay is so-so. Im still out on my arse in 3 years. It really doesnt matter whether its Todai, waseda or Sophia. You have a use-by date on your contract which says that you should not get tooo comfortable in your job. I have a wife and children to think about, and this is my biggect concern about having to go shopping for a new job every three years. |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Kansai
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest you look at some of the following links: some of the best and well-known schools in Japan have contracts that are considered detrimental to foreigners. People take these jobs because they have families to support and if they dont take them they go hungry.
http://www.debito.org/blacklist.html |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Our university which is overall one of the few "foreigner friendly" universities in terms of full-time professors, also has the occasional position for a "gaikokugokyoshi" (which my Japanese colleagues all too often subvert into "gaikokujinkyoshi"). These positions are limited to one 2-year contract with no extensions possible. The officially stated reason for this is some kind of 2-year reciprical tax break arrangement with the US. This is deeply entrenched and I fought hard against it as a member of a 3-person hiring committee.
I think what many universities fear is that if they ofter renewable limited time contracts they will eventually get stuck having to keep the foreigner on full time, either from a legal standpoint or some sense of obligation. Better not to allow them to get too settled.
Then, of course, there really are a lot of Japanese who see gaijin as a disposable resource with a definite "use by" date. Gaijin teachers should, in this view, be young (similar in age to the students), genki, and need not necessarily have any EFL training. They are not necessarily looking for EFL professionals.
When our search committee ended up recommending a 60 year old for one of the gaikokugokyoshi positions we knew were were in for a rocky ride through the approval committees. This just wasn't what gaijin were supposed to be like. Well, actually she DID have blue eyes and was about as genki as anyone could hope to be but... |
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JaredW

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 105 Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you so much everyone. I really appreciate all your input. Boy, I sure would like a permanent position to live in Japan, but that seems like it will take a lot of work if not impossible. Plus, I am forward thinking to retiremnt and giving up a tenured position at an American public high school with retirement benefits seems foolhardy. |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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We all like to fantasize about escaping from the realities of our current situations. My two alternative fantasies are getting a tenure-track position at an American university and returning to a lotus-eating EFL position in the Middle East. Unfortunately, neither of these options is any better in reality than my current situation so it's really just about doing what you want with your life.
If you are a 20-something already thinking about retirement prospects I suspect a life as an overseas EFL teacher is not for you. |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Kansai
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: More on universities |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Kansai
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: More on universities |
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Working part-time at a university? Maybe not for much longer!
In the past few months we have had a mini-flood of enquiries from members and non-members alike about the changing situation for part-time instructors in private universities throughout Kansai. These range from Kyoto Seika Daigaku introducing a changed policy raising the minimum student sign-up numbers to Osaka Kogyo Daigaku (Osaka Industrial University), which has notified staff that it is closing its night school and limiting the student intake for its day school with notice given that this will impact on the amount of work available to part-timers. Kobe Yakka Daigaku (Kobe Pharmaceutical University) has also given notice that work will be reduced due to changes in course structuring.
Part-time instructors are at the mercy of management in their attempt to cut back on overheads as universities face massive restructuring over the next few years, at a time when the university age population is on a steady decline, with the number of available places matching the number of possible candidates. In Kansai we have seen the pay and bonuses of full-time faculty at Otemon and Kyoto Seika universities cut with an increase in their teaching load, further reducing the work available to part-time instructors.
Generally part-timers have the fewest, if any rights of any worker in Japan. Whilst being paid much less per class than full-timers the overwhelming majority also are ineligible for enrollment in employment insurance (koyo hoken) and very few are enrolled in shakai hoken (employer supported health and pension insurance) thus forcing many part-timers onto the much more costly kokumin kenko hoken (national health insurance) or to take out private insurance, with all the exclusions that entails, or in not a few cases to be insurance-less.
Not all is doom and gloom however. Whilst part-timers are in the weakest position of all employees in terms of job security, pay and benefits, union membership can be a massive advantage in the face of management attacks on our conditions. Last year the General Union was able to reverse cut-backs in the cases of members at Otemon and Kyoto Gaigo Universities. This year we are already working with members in Kyoto Seika and Osaka Kogyo Universities to protect their conditions.
Join now to protect your job
Whilst union membership or your case being taken up by the union is no guarantee of success, it is realistically the only option available to most part-time university instructors. As mentioned above, the attacks we are seeing at the moment are part of a much wider trend that is affecting the whole tertiary education sector. Massive restructuring is coming in, but it is not a foregone conclusion that managements will get everything they want. The General Union calls on all university instructors, full-time and part-time, reading this article to not only get in touch with us without delay, but to join the General Union and begin the process of protecting your job and conditions before it is too late.
Over the years we have had the most success where members came to us early with potential problems, even just rumours. The summer period is the time when most colleges make their personnel decisions for the following academic year. If you wait until the autumn or even early 2006 to contact the union about restructuring at your workplace it may well be too late to salvage your job or a decent redundancy package. Time is not on your side. And if you think your job is safe for next year, how confident are you that you can say the same for 2007?
Kyoto Seika Dai.
In March this university announced that it was changing the minimum student sign-up number form 1 to 5 for a course to actually run. This was despite teachers signing contracts stating the previous policy of a minimum of one being necessary. At negotiations with the General Union on July 1st, Kyoto Seika said that they withdrew this policy after our initial intervention on behalf of our members at Seika, though it is still on the table that this change will be introduced in 2006.
Our members oppose this policy as it is an attempt by the management at a time of falling rolls to cut the variety of courses on offer to the student body and will impact on the quality of education at Seika. During negotiations management admitted a deficit of 250 million yen in the previous year, but only admitted this was the case after a failed investment of 4 billion yen in Argentine golf courses. We made it clear that we are not prepared to tolerate our members� jobs being sacrificed to pay for bad management. The example of our members� fight at Ritsumeikan University should leave all universities clear that we will fight wherever we have to.
University goes bust
Already one university, Hagi International University, in Yamaguchi prefecture has filed for bankruptcy. This university was originally a womens� junior college, but became a university several years ago when the junior college sector began to suffer a haemorrhage of students. Not a few junior colleges became universities in the 90�s. In Kyoto, Heian Jo Gakuin closed its junior college to become a university, in the process it fired all its part-time instructors, though those who were members of the General Union were the only ones to receive a redundancy package, non-members left with nothing. Hagi International will probably not be the last one to close. Will yours be next? |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I believe it is a mistake for an overseas EFL teacher to get too attached to any particular country. The EFL job market, along with the world economy, is in constant flux and part of the job is going where the best jobs, salaries, and conditions currently are. Japan is currently in an ecomonic and demographic slump. That's not going to turn around anytime soon. By 2020 Japan may be back on the rise but by then many of the best paying jobs in EFL may be in China. Who knows.
Wives beware. Marrying an EFL teacher is like marrying a gypsy -- or a sailor!
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I work at a high school, and every month teachers have to pay into the bankruptcy fund.
It is not only universities which will close in the future.
Some elementary and secondary schools may close as well. |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Kansai
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| abufletcher wrote: |
We all like to fantasize about escaping from the realities of our current situations. My two alternative fantasies are getting a tenure-track position at an American university and returning to a lotus-eating EFL position in the Middle East. Unfortunately, neither of these options is any better in reality than my current situation so it's really just about doing what you want with your life.
If you are a 20-something already thinking about retirement prospects I suspect a life as an overseas EFL teacher is not for you. |
I am currently looking at other opportunities and my advice would be to 'double-barrel' your resume by not putting all your eggs in one basket with a pHD or a TESOL qualification becuase the common wisdom here is that such qualifications are only useful if you plan to live outside your own country, or you want to live in a country where they pay high salaries and its possible to support a family. You dont want to be 45 and cant get out of a $30-40,000 a year income bracket in japan or dont make a safe economic prospect to a potential marriage partner.
My next move is to consider getting some qualifications in another field, perhaps an MBA or something in CALL should TESOL dry up or I want to move back home, or learn another language that is in demand. As other posters have pointed out, China is starting to heat up now and is where japan was 20 years ago. Chinese will be the next big language IMO. There is not much chance of you running out of students, qualified people make good salaries in China (while those who are unqualified make the same as taxi drivers).
PS there are pension plans for expats but many of the offshore ones are not recognised in the US and are liable to taxation. Americans have to be careful about what plan they have, or simply feed their existing US plan from overseas.
As for giving up cushy tenured job that is often the price you pay in that you get too comfortable in your present job, dont go outside your comfort zone and dont travel and experience different cultures for fear of what you give up when you leave the US. If you get married and have kids, it becomes that much harder to travel and do things than when you are single and you will regret not coming to Japan when you had the chance, even if there is job uncertainty here. |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:11 am Post subject: |
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There was a cartoon I once saw in an EFL teacher's office in Oman called "The Four Ages of EFL" and it went like this:
First frame: 20-something guy saying "It might be interesting to teach overseas for a while"
Second frame: "35 year old saying "I gotta think of something else to do."
Third frame: "Balding 45 year old holding someone hostage saying "Please publish my paper."
Fourth frame: "Mummy with a caption reading: "Did you see those new job adverts in Saudi."
This may seem funny now but....
...I was 25 when I took my first overseas teaching job (in Saudi)
...and 35 when I started playing around with the idea of moving into travel photojournalism.
...and 43 when I started my Ph.D. (and 49 now that I've finished it)
...and yes some of those Saudi jobs DO look appealing now that you mention it. Better than retiring in Phoenix.  |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Kansai
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| abufletcher wrote: |
...I was 25 when I took my first overseas teaching job (in Saudi)
...and 35 when I started playing around with the idea of moving into travel photojournalism.
...and 43 when I started my Ph.D. (and 49 now that I've finished it)
...and yes some of those Saudi jobs DO look appealing now that you mention it. Better than retiring in Phoenix.  |
I came to Japan at 23. Started Masters at 27. Finished at 31
Started PhD at 39 and expected finishing date some time around 45 (if I ever finish it)
Wife doesnt want to live in countries where English is not a native language or where you have to drink bottled water.
I think once you have been an expat as long as that you can never go home, whereever that used to be. I havent lived at home since university. |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Wife doesnt want to live in countries where English is not a native language or where you have to drink bottled water.
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What's wrong with bottled water? My Mexican wife wouldn't drink anything but bottled water here in Shikoku (said the tap water tasted horrible) and I wouldn't want to drink tap water back in my home town of Orange, California for the same reason. On the other hand, you can certainly drink the tap water in most Middle Eastern countries -- though most people don't since having boxes of wonderful tasting bottled spring water delivered to your house on a weekly basis is easy-peasy.
For the most part EFL professional end up in pretty civilized places -- its the nature of the game.
Out of curiousity, what do you hope YOUR Ph.D. will do for YOU? |
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