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theprof00
Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: Making something out of nothing |
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Hi this is my first posting to this awesome website. Just wanna say thanks to everyone in advance.
Anyways,
I want to find a job in Japan teaching English, however, I have no previous experience, am only in my second year of college, have been turned down by NOVA and have no qualifications.
Now I know that sounds pretty horrific, but, I can read Hiragana and Katakana, I can understand a little conversational Japanese, I have been there twice previously for a total time of 1 and a half months, and I'm a laugh in a pinch. I'm a 22 year old male, and i'm VERY good looking... well I look a lot like an anime character ! I'm also a French-American citizen(dual citizenship). I would like to be in a large city where I can make a lot of friends. I'm also a very fast learner and can take direction well. I am highly adaptable and have experience at living in foreign countried for extended periods.
Now, I have read a lot of posts and the plan I've formulated is to go to Japan in early Febuary with about 4000 dollars US stay with some friends (if possible, not for sure yet) and hunt for jobs. I would like to stay for a year if possible.
Thanks for any feedback on this! thx |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Not in February 2006, I hope.
I apologize in advance if this comes across as rude....
1. Why would you abandon completing your degree in favour of coming here?
2. The reason why no company will touch you (like NOVA) is because you have no degree. The qualifications part is not so important, but you gotta have at least something.
3. Unless you can get a Working Holiday Visa through your French citizenship, j'suis desole mon ami, but you'll have to finish your college degree first in order to get a Working Visa in Japan.
4. What other, more specific feedback were you looking for? |
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theprof00
Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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well, i know that obviously no company will take without a degree, but I was wondering how difficult it was to get a part time at a mom and pop or anything in that respect.
And as for my degree, I am a major in linguistics and I really want to get my Japanese a lot better. Over here I'm really learning nothing, college in the U.S. is like high school in France. You need to go for masters before you learn anything, and even then you wouldnt be able to learn the full language. My mother is a professor of french in a university over here, and she has many Japanese friends. She gave me the idea of going to teach as she was informed that "people do it all the time". |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Part time/full time, big/small company, makes no difference. If you get caught doing it without a work visa, WHV or another visa that allows you to do so, you risk getting deported. Many companies, even if it's only part-time will ask to copy your passport's visa page to ensure you are legal.... If they get caught hiring someone who's not, they face massive fines.
If you come on a tourist visa (90 days) you definitely cannot do any kind of work. You technically aren't even allowed to look for work -- although many, many people do it anyway. Some of the other visas that will allow you to work at least part-time and stay for longer than 3 months at a time include: a dependent visa, a spousal visa, a student visa (P/T only and you must be registered in a proper Japanese school who records attendence).
Depends what you mean by "people do it all the time." Do WHAT exactly? Work for a year while still in uni and not having a degree? Yes, I have a friend who did exactly what you want to do -- except he was Canadian so he was able to come in on a WHV.
Like I said, can you get a WHV through your French citizenship? If so, I'd say that's the only way to get your foot in the door at this time. If you ARE elligible, and want to come in February, I'd starting working on it very soon -- you can't get the thing overnight. My wife and I did it and it took us about 2 weeks (and we were rushing to get it done). |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| Where in France are you from? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Unless I'm mistaken, you have to apply for a working holiday visa in the country where you have citizenship. Since Americans are not eligible for the WHV, you must apply in France.
People "do it all the time". Yes, people get jobs all the time, but they meet visa requirements first. You will have to, too.
Even so, with a WHV in hand, you will have to come here to interview for the "mom and pop" employers.
By the way, you won't need any Japanese to teach most students, and you won't even be allowed to use it in the classroom anyway. Japanese will be useful only for teaching younger children and for daily survival.
Your looks won't matter much, either. Your sense of humor will, and you won't have to be in a pinch, either. Your experience at living in foreign countries will probably be looked upon favorably, too. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| And as for my degree, I am a major in linguistics and I really want to get my Japanese a lot better. Over here I'm really learning nothing, college in the U.S. is like high school in France. You need to go for masters before you learn anything, and even then you wouldnt be able to learn the full language. My mother is a professor of french in a university over here, and she has many Japanese friends. She gave me the idea of going to teach as she was informed that "people do it all the time". |
People do it all the time but they also have work visas before they come here.
If you really want to improve your Japanese I suggest you move away from teaching at a language school and enrol yourself for six months at a language school. There have been threads on here about learning japanese I can dig up for you but as an intermediate level self-taught speaker of japanese a couple of points to mention:
1. Spending 20-30 hours a week in a language school teaching English in Japan will actually get you no closer to learning Japanese. Students are Japanese, sure but they will speak English to you, and so will the office staff. You WON'T use japanese in class as thats not what students are paying for.
2. Once you finish work to learn the language, as its not a romance language like spanish or French or Italian, you actually have to STUDY the language consciously and diligently. If you are here for a year that means 1-2 hours a day every day. Working all day, studying Japanese and then you actually have to go out and talk to people. Wont leave you much time for anything else. and my feeling is on a one year working holiday you will only get a taste of the language and not learn much above a high beginner level.
3. Zzonkmiles might have something to say about this and learning japanese is all very well, but the hardest part will be finding Japanese people who want to speak Japanese with you. You will meet lots of people who dont speak English but it will be shopkeepers, barmen and train attendants. Lots of small talk such as how to buy a beer or train ticket or how to get from A to B. Actually communicating and conversing with people and having conversations in Japanese will take much longer and much more effort, especially if you dont read kanji and have a low vocabulary. Im not saying don't learn Japanese, but it will take you far longer to make progress in speaking and listening than you think it will, usually twice as long as a romance language, and in one year on a WHV you wont get more than the basics down and perhaps the correct intonation and rhythm. There is no real way to learn Japanese 'faster' anyway, it will be far different than anything you have studied before in terms of vocabulary grammar, syntax and usage. it resembles nothing like English.
4. You might be able to get some free 'language exchange' where people talk to you in English and then you talk back in Japanese. More often than not, its more English than Japanese spoken at these things.
Believe me, I know what it takes to learn the language. If you want to learn how to order a beer, fine, but dont get your hopes up on understanding what people say to you in Osaka or tokyo dialect within your first year here.
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Unless you come on a working holiday visa, you have no chance, no matter how much hiragana and katakana (bit whoop ), how much you look like Dragonball Z and how good-looking you perceive yourself to be. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
Unless you come on a working holiday visa, you have no chance, no matter how much hiragana and katakana (bit whoop ), how much you look like Dragonball Z and how good-looking you perceive yourself to be. |
Don't want to pi-ss in the OPs pond but unless you have at least Level 1 or level 2 of the Japanese Proficiency Test I would not even consider putting you have Japanese ability on your resume. anything below Level 2 (1000 Kanji, 5000 vocabulary) and you are not considered a proficient Japanese speaker of any use to a non-English teaching company here and it wont help you get a job here. Plenty of guys around who can speak read and write the language including most of the daily usage Kanji. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 668 Location: performing in a classroom near you!
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Making something out of nothing |
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I'm also a French-American citizen(dual citizenship).
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Could someone explain how dual citizenship is possible?
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Now, I have read a lot of posts and the plan I've formulated is to go to Japan in early Febuary with about 4000 dollars
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I wonder how someone so young could've saved so much  |
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Stosskraft

Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 252 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a 22 year old male, and I'm VERY good looking... |
You forgot conceited.

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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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conceited.
he should get a degree first. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe he is looking for "I'm too sexy" English school. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Now, now people. Remember to give the guy the benefit of a doubt... Not everyone writes like Hemmingway at age 22.
I think the senior forum contributors have done more than enough to answer the OP's original questions... If you have nothing more to contribute, there's plenty of people in China Off-Topic to go pick on....  |
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