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mrjohndub
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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Location: Saitama, Japan
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[quote="Brooks"]
A lot of newbies use this board and many posts don`t mean much of anything to me.
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Gee, Brooks...
On behalf of the newbies let me just issue you a sincere "My bad."
Do you think that the board should change for you? ...As if people who came here after you hold some sort of lower social standing? Why not start your own message board?
Come to think of it, I'm not so sure I find some of your 'content' so interesting. You should think before you speak. |
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David W
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Posts: 457
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="mrjohndub"]
| Brooks wrote: |
A lot of newbies use this board and many posts don`t mean much of anything to me.
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Gee, Brooks...
On behalf of the newbies let me just issue you a sincere "My bad."
Do you think that the board should change for you? ...As if people who came here after you hold some sort of lower social standing? Why not start your own message board?
Come to think of it, I'm not so sure I find some of your 'content' so interesting. You should think before you speak. |
I don't think he was trying to be mean it's just that Daves does have a bit of a reputation for being rather more a "noobs" place than other boards. I've been posting here since 1998 but there are few posts that interest me here any more. I still check it out but I guess what Brooks is saying is that once you've been here a while there are other sites that are more interesting. |
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 5309
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Things do get quite repetitive. No very often do I see a question posted here that hasn't been asked before.
I think it is the immaturity on gaijinpot that prevents me from spending any time there. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Posts: 1369
Location: Sagamihara
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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ah, MrJohndub, if you don`t like what I post, don`t read it.
But I have been in TEFL for 10 years so I might know what I am talking about.
I have been looking at the ESL Cafe for the last 9 nine years so I know there are others who agree with me that the same questions get asked over and over again.
That is why we have stickies.
I lot of the questions have been answered already. It would be nice if more posters bothered to read previous posts.
Many posts have nothing to do with teaching. I have to think that the Japan board should be split in half: one for teaching and one for general discussion.
Sweetsee, I thought that Marathon Mouth wouldn`t work at my school. I thought the book was too thin. For sannensei, OC classes are 4 days a week.
I prefer books like 50/50 or English Upgrade.
Markle, I don`t know that book but I could check it out. |
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mrjohndub
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 198
Location: Saitama, Japan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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As a newbie and someone who does read the stickies and asks unique questions...even if they generate modest or no interest...I took your comment as a slight. But if you didn't mean it that way, okay.
I think your dissatisfaction with redundancy is something very common in any kind of message board.
I also agree with you that teaching-specific topics and social/other topics would be best separated into two different forums. |
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hip-hop boy78
Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 90
Location: Hip-hop land
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with Brooks in thinking that someone should split the Japan forum into a Job discussion board and a Living in Japan discussion board just like the Korea forum. Is this ever likely to happen? Why do the Korea and China forums have more than one board for discussion? |
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Jon Taylor
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 238
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I also agree with splitting the discussion board up into work / general.
This way we can all post general discussion topics. |
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 811
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: |
| I think it is the immaturity on gaijinpot that prevents me from spending any time there. |
Agree 100%. I've yet to see a thread there which makes it more than three posts before the trolls get to it. A complete waste of time for most things.... |
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Sweetsee
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Posts: 2302
Location: ) is everything
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Hi Brooks,
Really, I am surprised to hear that because I have no problem streching out the material in that book, probably doesn't hurt that most my students are slow going.
Anyway, sorry to barge in on this thread.
Cheers,
s |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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I think your students must be at a lower level.
Some of my students aren`t too good at English, but some are quite good. |
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Sweetsee
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| How did you come across that book? |
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JaredW
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 105
Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I heard about Gaijinpot.com from this site so I decided to venture over there for a looksy. I signed up for their forum and have made some casual observations.
First, I agree that gaijinpot seems a little more sophisticated as far as resources for the overall living in Japan. But, with that, I sometimes question the motives of some people living in Japan so long and then posting on that websites. Heck, it seems like there are some people who have already left Japan but keep lurking over there because they cannot get enough of Japan stuff. Also, it seems like most of those people like Japan because it is an easy job, they become "Charisma Man" and date mediocre looking Japanese chicks just to get laid.
On the other hand, even though ESL Cafe is more for newbies, I can see that people on this board are not only teaching in Japan because they love it (so it seems) but they are generally concerned enough about other people that they seems to want to help each other. Over there, there are many trolls. Over here, there seems like genuine people.
So, even though I'll frequent gaijinpot, I turn to here more than often for useful information. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| JaredW wrote: |
Well, I heard about Gaijinpot.com from this site so I decided to venture over there for a looksy. I signed up for their forum and have made some casual observations.
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You will also notice that Gaijin pot is a Japan based forum for teachers and everybbody living in Japan. Its not just a jobs forum but a living forum and has other threads on education, banking family etc.
Daves ESL cafe Japan forum is one of dozens of forums with teachers from many different countries, not just Japan. They even have a newbie forum for people thinking of getting into ESL, not just in Japan.
I think you are talking about apples and oranges here as they have different audiences and serve different needs. This forum is a hodgpodge of all different kinds of topics while Gaijinpot has topic-lef forums. ESLcafe doesnt just cater to English teachers in Japan.
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| W But, with that, I sometimes question the motives of some people living in Japan so long and then posting on that websites. Heck, it seems like there are some people who have already left Japan but keep lurking over there because they cannot get enough of Japan stuff.. |
I would guess after you have spent a couple of years in a foreign country living and breathing its culture you wouldnt be able to sever links either. Not unless you are one of the slash-and-burn crowd who just comes here to party and meet girls.
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Also, it seems like most of those people like Japan because it is an easy job, they become "Charisma Man" and date mediocre looking Japanese chicks just to get laid.
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I guess you are entitled to your opinion. Gross generalisation though. Who are you to say that women here are mediocre-looking? Don't average women deserve boyfriends just as much as the beautiful ones? Do you look like Brad Pitt and do you only bed models? What gives you the right to judge women's looks like they were pieces of steak and who they can and can not date? I happen to know good looking guys who have had big problems with women here and even ordinary guys who are happy with their plain Jane girlfriends, some are even married.
PS I have a friend living in China (Shanghai) and he said he sees all the English teachers over there (earning far less than they do here) and wannabe Romeos trying to score with the women over there, so things are not all that different whereever you go. He said it looks somewhat pathetic as most of them are too poor and dont earn enough to attract the attention of the best women anyway. |
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JaredW
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| I guess you are entitled to your opinion. Gross generalisation though. Who are you to say that women here are mediocre-looking? Don't average women deserve boyfriends just as much as the beautiful ones? Do you look like Brad Pitt and do you only bed models? What gives you the right to judge women's looks like they were pieces of steak and who they can and can not date? I happen to know good looking guys who have had big problems with women here and even ordinary guys who are happy with their plain Jane girlfriends, some are even married. |
By no means, no. I am married to a Japanese girl. And, no I don't think she's mediocre. And, yes, I can judge because I think looks are important. That's how my wife attracted me at first and then her personality made it stick. I married her when she was a grad student in the US. So, yeah, looks are important.
But no, I was alluding to a post in this forum about guys who think they have hot chicks when they don't really. And, yeah, I always make gross generalizations. Maybe stereotypical but without it, how would anyone be able to 部分ける かな？ And, also this comic about Charisma guys who come to Japan and become this hot shot guy.
But, I have been wrong many times. And, I know I am comparing Apples and Oranges but then again, I already said,
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| So, even though I'll frequent gaijinpot, I turn to here more than often for useful information |
Also, I got the impression that Gaijinpot had more trolls.
P.S. Please remember that I am also trying to get a job in Japan as well.Even so, I still make such gross generalizations. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| JaredW wrote: |
By no means, no. I am married to a Japanese girl. And, no I don't think she's mediocre. And, yes, I can judge because I think looks are important. That's how my wife attracted me at first and then her personality made it stick. I married her when she was a grad student in the US. So, yeah, looks are important. |
Of course looks are important but your choice of mate is simply based on your subjective opinion of what you think is beautiful. You may think she's hot for you but another person looks at her and thinks shes average or mediocre (in looks, personality etc) different strokes for different folks. If you are prepared to pass judgement on other people be prepared to have people pass judgement on you. I am married too, by the way and have managed to make my relationship stick for quite a while despite being surrounded by hot chicks every day.
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But no, I was alluding to a post in this forum about guys who think they have hot chicks when they don't really. And, yeah, I always make gross generalizations. Maybe stereotypical but without it, how would anyone be able to ???????? And, also this comic about Charisma guys who come to Japan and become this hot shot guy.
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Guess it depends on what you mean by hot chicks I suppose. You say that looks are important but that hot chicks (based on looks as you obviously dont know all their personalities, being married) are not that hot based on your own subjective assessment. Its as if your babe-meter is the standard by which women in Japan are judged by.
So what is a hot chick anyway, and what does she have to do to become one? Is your wife one?
Anyway Charisma is just a cartoon and part-parody. It has an element of truth in it, and anyway, these hot chicks that you see around are a product of their society. Perhaps you are simply seeing them from a purely western hormone-driven male perspective. |
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