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HKBound05
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 Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: HELP!! |
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| Hi Everyone, My friend and I are thinking about heading to Taiwan. We need some info about immigration. My friend does not have a University Degree, she does have TESL certification. Is a degree required for a visa in Taiwan?? Will it be worth our while to head over? |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: |
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You don't need a degree to get a visa to come here, but you will need one if you are planning to work here.
You won't get a work permit to teach without a degree and if you don't have a work permit then you can't get a resident visa to stay here. |
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Finn76
Joined: 07 Sep 2005
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Location: Mingxiong Chiayi
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| Jesus. With a title like "HELP!!!" I though it was something serious! |
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HKBound05
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| I thought Help!! would get peoples attention. Thanks for the info. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: |
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You do not need a degree to work on Taiwan. It may assist your employer in obtaining a work license for you, but lesser degrees in conjunction with a TESL certificate will suffice.
It is estimated that the vast majority of schools and non Chinese teachers on Taiwan are in contaverntion of any one of the numerous racist laws and decrees promulgated by the occupational government. Most people just ignore them.
Get a Mutiple Entry Visa for business purposes before you come and you shouldn't have much trouble with visas, work or taxes.
The biggest problem most people can't get over is thge low pay.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| You do not need a degree to work on Taiwan. |
In practice you pretty much do need at least a Bachelors degree to be employed legally.
| Aristotle wrote: |
| It may assist your employer in obtaining a work license for you, but lesser degrees in conjunction with a TESL certificate will suffice. |
This is true in theory, but in practice nobody really knows which college degrees and which TESOL certifications are accepted. Add to this the fact that many employers are not even aware that they can employ some of these people legally and it becomes apparent that people without degrees are going to find the going tough.
| Aristotle wrote: |
| Get a Mutiple Entry Visa for business purposes before you come and you shouldn't have much trouble with visas, work or taxes. |
But if you follow this advice you will have no choice but to work illegally as you cannot be employed on this type of visa and there is no evidence that this type of visa is convertible into a resident visa locally. |
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ramakentesh
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Evidence - you said it all Clark - where else but Taiwan would evidence be requird to demonstrate the regulations of the visa system |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| ramakentesh wrote: |
| Evidence - you said it all Clark - where else but Taiwan would evidence be requird to demonstrate the regulations of the visa system |
I am unsure as to the value of such a post and the reason behind posting it!
In Taiwan, as in every country, the visa regulations are all laid out quite clearly. This is how we all know that a visitors visa is convertible into a resident visa in country and without the need to leave the country.
Aristotle keeps touting this business visa as being an alternative to the visitors visa/resident visa. Clearly a business visa is meant for the purposes of business and requires an invitation from a local company for the purposes of doing business. This is clearly not what a foreign teacher requires. All of this is laid out in the legislation as evidence.
The question that you have apparently missed is aimed at Aristotle and that is 'Where in the legislation does it state that a Business visa can be converted into a resident visa within Taiwan and without the need to leave the country?' This is something that Aristotle has said is possible but I cannot find any evidence of this being true which suggests that it isn't. I do however give him the opportunity to produce this for all of us in order to validate the advice that he gives. |
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jamesfromscotland
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| I know an English guy who brought a Czech gf in ( no TEFL cert or degree but spoke English ), paid � 1000 to get some sort of residency to enable her to get work but she still had to do visa run every now and then |
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ramakentesh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: |
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'In Taiwan, as in every country, the visa regulations are all laid out quite clearly. This is how we all know that a visitors visa is convertible into a resident visa in country and without the need to leave the country. '
Ok then please explain that to the office in Melbourne, Australia who couldnt give me a straight answer despite talking to four different staff members as to whether this could be done or not - with the general concensus being that it couldnt despite the fact that I managed to do it here. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ramakentesh wrote: |
'In Taiwan, as in every country, the visa regulations are all laid out quite clearly. This is how we all know that a visitors visa is convertible into a resident visa in country and without the need to leave the country. '
Ok then please explain that to the office in Melbourne, Australia who couldnt give me a straight answer despite talking to four different staff members as to whether this could be done or not - with the general concensus being that it couldnt despite the fact that I managed to do it here. |
Just because some people who work for the government are not actually familiar with the regulations does not mean that these regulations do not exist. In fact it is for this very reason that I spend so much time and effort letting everyone know their rights, so that faced with the stupidity exhibited in some TECO offices, these people still have a chance.
I have been critical in the past of the staff of TECO offices overseas. I don't believe that they are effective at all. They are more often than not out of touch with what really goes on. I always encourage people to simply apply for a visa there and then come to Taiwan to do all the detailed work as you will find that things go a lot more smoothly here in Taiwan. |
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