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jfurgers
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 Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: FM3 or have spouse sponser...which is faster |
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Here's one for you all. Say I 'm going to teach ESL in DF and I already have my housing and transportation taken care of. The next logical step would be to find a job.
Since my wife is Mexican she could sponser my correct? If she did this how long would it take before I could work in DF? Or would it just be faster and easier to find a school to do the paper work for me as long as I'm working for them, and just renew it every year until I could apply for permanent resident status?
We haven't done the paper work yet in DF for our marriage to be recognized in Mexico so I'm not sure if that would matter. Anyone with a similar situation?
Thanks.
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: FM3 or have spouse sponser...which is faster |
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| jfurgers wrote: |
Here's one for you all. Say I 'm going to teach ESL in DF and I already have my housing and transportation taken care of. The next logical step would be to find a job.
Since my wife is Mexican she could sponser my correct? If she did this how long would it take before I could work in DF? Or would it just be faster and easier to find a school to do the paper work for me as long as I'm working for them, and just renew it every year until I could apply for permanent resident status?
We haven't done the paper work yet in DF for our marriage to be recognized in Mexico so I'm not sure if that would matter. Anyone with a similar situation?
Thanks.
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Being married doesn't give you automatic right to 'lucrative activities' as they call it. It will be much faster to seek an employer-sponsored FM3. However, if you're seeking long term status in Mexico, you'll have to go through 5 years (5 renewals of FM3 or 2) before you get permanent residency status.
It is also possible to have your wife provide 'recibos de honorarios' for your work in DF. This is very common practice in DF, though technically illegal. I assume you'll seeking work as a teacher? It will also depend on the school/uni/language school that hires you on what they need or will accept.
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: FM3 |
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Thanks Guy.
That was the original plan. Once I arrive in DF find a job with a school that will do the paper work for the FM3 then keep renewing for five years and then finally apply for a permanent resident.
It won't matter to the school that I'm married with a Mexican correct? Also, I plan on just getting my degree apostilled. I won't need to get my birth certificate apostilled also will I?
I've heard different stories aboutr that.
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: FM3 |
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| jfurgers wrote: |
Thanks Guy.
That was the original plan. Once I arrive in DF find a job with a school that will do the paper work for the FM3 then keep renewing for five years and then finally apply for a permanent resident.
It won't matter to the school that I'm married with a Mexican correct? Also, I plan on just getting my degree apostilled. I won't need to get my birth certificate apostilled also will I?
I've heard different stories aboutr that.
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I've heard different things too. I would guess you'll be ok just getting the dimploma apostilled. There might be other routes I'm not aware o to permanent resident status. Maybe MELEE can say. |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Guy. That's what I'll do. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:51 am Post subject: |
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jfurgers,
Good luck with your job search once you get here. I've been in the DF for the last month and have finally found a school that has given me a couple of classes to teach and will eventually sponsor me for an FM-3 (in the meantime I am lucky to have a friend who will "lend" me some of his recibos de honorarios, so I can get paid). Others schools that I contacted were interested in hiring me but couldn't (or wouldn't) help me get the FM-3. One thing to keep in mind is that according to Mexican law, no more than 10% of a company's employees can be non-Mexican.
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| One thing to keep in mind is that according to Mexican law, no more than 10% of a company's employees can be non-Mexican. |
I have only heard of one case where this was ever enforced. There are quite a number of schools where this is ignored in DF. |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks MO39. I wasn't aware of the 10% rule. Did you try many different schools like Berlitz? They are located throughout the city so I've been told. The school that hired you, how long before you can actually start working for them?
Do you have any money saved so you'll be ok until you start getting paid? I've read that it's very imprtant to go to DF with about 3 or $4,000 dollars to cover everything for a while.
I'm lucky because I don't have to worryabout where I'm going to be staying , food , nor transportation. Please let me know what schools were unable to do the FM3 for you. This could save me a lot of time when I get there.
Thanks and good luck.
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MO39
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Hola,
Look for a private message from me in a few minutes.
MO |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| jfurgers wrote: |
I wasn't aware of the 10% rule.
Please let me know what schools were unable to do the FM3 for you. |
I believe if you check out the laws regarding the 10% foreign employment rule, you'll find that private language schools can be exempt from the rule if they file the correct forms with the government. (I've had several students who were lawyers, and a couple of them showed me the laws in the books regarding this after a discussion on the topic in class.)
As for any school not providing what it needs to give to immigration for an employee to get an FM-3, it's not a matter of being unable but being unwilling. If a school is running its business legally, it will have the necessary tax records and any other required documentation and can write the required letter to immigration. |
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MELEE
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: FM3 |
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[quote="Guy Courchesne] There might be other routes I'm not aware o to permanent resident status. Maybe MELEE can say.[/quote]
Do you have children?
If you are the parent of Mexican children, you can go directly to naturalization. You need to do this from Relaciones Exteriores, not from Imigracion. The Imigracion guys don't even seem to know anything about it. In the provences the process can take up to a year, so you need an FM3 in the meantime, but I've heard that in el DF its a lot faster. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: FM3 |
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| [quote="Guy Courchesne] There might be other routes I'm not aware o to permanent resident status. Maybe MELEE can say. |
Do you have children?
If you are the parent of Mexican children, you can go directly to naturalization. You need to do this from Relaciones Exteriores, not from Imigracion. The Imigracion guys don't even seem to know anything about it. In the provences the process can take up to a year, so you need an FM3 in the meantime, but I've heard that in el DF its a lot faster.[/quote]
Off-topic here, but MELEE, do you have any idea if the same would apply for adoption? It's a current issue between my wife and I right now... |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: FM3 |
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| If you are the parent of Mexican children, you can go directly to naturalization. You need to do this from Relaciones Exteriores, not from Imigracion. The Imigracion guys don't even seem to know anything about it. |
There are a few ways for a person to get Mexican citizenship (and have dual citizenship, depending on "dual" with which other country, of course.) As MELEE mentioned, the immigration office and Relaciones Exteriores are two completely different entities. People working at immigration offices know nothing about how foreigners can go about getting Mexican citizenship, because it's not part of their job, just as people working at Relaciones Exteriores know nothing about visas and other things done via immigration offices. I'll be eligible to apply for dual citizenship in August of 2006. However, I'll still have to apply for another work visa at that time via the immigration office, because I'll need something to cover me while Relaciones Exteriores does the processing for dual citizenship (and if my application is denied.) |
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jfurgers
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| Sounds like Berlitz isn't a good school if they want everyone to follow a certain method and never deviate from it. I'm hoping to find a school that would let me follow their method and my own once in a while. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jfurgers wrote: |
| Sounds like Berlitz isn't a good school if they want everyone to follow a certain method and never deviate from it. I'm hoping to find a school that would let me follow their method and my own once in a while. |
That would be most schools besides Berlitz, though it varies. With the chain schools, it's more often a matter of pressuring a teacher to finish up a series of lessons or a program in a set amount of time. This is what can lead to a 'stay in the book' attitude. Some chains will offer additional 'conversation clubs' or 'encounters' whereby the teachers and students get free time on a wide range of outside-the-book topics. |
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